GHL
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GHL
Guys, I know i might be driving some of you crazy with my exhaust quesitons....i mean its just some pipes right....but this is an email i sent to GHL, i will post the reply. I think it might help some of us newbies understand better.
Hello,
I have few qustions about the GHL System. I have been trying to decide what system to put on my car. I have read good things about your system on the Corvette Forum, however, I can find good things on there about everyones systems. However, the other sights have marketing hype about what makes their system better. Your sight dosn't have much information other than price, but marketing hype and big websights does not a good product make....
Here are my perceptions, tell me if I am wrong please.
1. The primary advantage of upgrading from stock is weight reduction and reduced back preasure.
2. Although there is some gain in reduced backpreasure, most of the back preasure is from the cats so upgrading from the cat back dosn't help a great deal.
3. If one were to cut the stock system off from the cat back and just put straight pipes on, the performance increase would be equal to are greater than any aftermarket system that is available, assuming the pipes they added were non restrictive....sound not withstanding.
4. Your product, the GHL, has a muffler, and is known for its "muscle car sound" and lack of resonance. Simlar in focus to the Borla system. The Corsa system is more "refined", with less volume.
Bottom line, and I am not trying to suggest that any product is better than yours, because I dont know.... I just want an honest opinion about what makes your product better than the other systems, or what makes it different. I know that sound is very subjective and can only be decided by the owner, but as far as the objective factors go please tell me why I should choose your system over the others out there. FYI right now I am trying to decide between your system or the Corsa Titanium system with no mufflers (the competition system). There system is $1300 yours is $900. I need to make this purchase by Jan 5, please help me out.
Thanks,
Dan Jordan
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Hello,
I have few qustions about the GHL System. I have been trying to decide what system to put on my car. I have read good things about your system on the Corvette Forum, however, I can find good things on there about everyones systems. However, the other sights have marketing hype about what makes their system better. Your sight dosn't have much information other than price, but marketing hype and big websights does not a good product make....
Here are my perceptions, tell me if I am wrong please.
1. The primary advantage of upgrading from stock is weight reduction and reduced back preasure.
2. Although there is some gain in reduced backpreasure, most of the back preasure is from the cats so upgrading from the cat back dosn't help a great deal.
3. If one were to cut the stock system off from the cat back and just put straight pipes on, the performance increase would be equal to are greater than any aftermarket system that is available, assuming the pipes they added were non restrictive....sound not withstanding.
4. Your product, the GHL, has a muffler, and is known for its "muscle car sound" and lack of resonance. Simlar in focus to the Borla system. The Corsa system is more "refined", with less volume.
Bottom line, and I am not trying to suggest that any product is better than yours, because I dont know.... I just want an honest opinion about what makes your product better than the other systems, or what makes it different. I know that sound is very subjective and can only be decided by the owner, but as far as the objective factors go please tell me why I should choose your system over the others out there. FYI right now I am trying to decide between your system or the Corsa Titanium system with no mufflers (the competition system). There system is $1300 yours is $900. I need to make this purchase by Jan 5, please help me out.
Thanks,
Dan Jordan
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Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
I think I would be sold on the GHL system if it were not for the butt ugly tips they offer. I really like the Corsa pro tips but don't think I could handle the motorboat sound. Ummm.. :crazy:
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St. Jude Donor '03
Re: GHL (VolFan615)
My GHL's don't have seperate tips...just 4 polished stainless pipes, and I like them. :yesnod:
Love the sound, love the look, would buy them again in a heartbeat.
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Love the sound, love the look, would buy them again in a heartbeat.
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Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
DanielJordan: I was in the same situation a few months ago when I was "shopping" for an aftermarket exhaust for my 2002 C-5. I have decided to purchase a GHL with the four (4) chrome pipes (4" inches) from L.A.P.D, a supporting vendor. Why don't you contact Shawn at LAPD by e-mail or phone and see if he can help you with your decision. I am planning to order my GHL in a few days, but will not be installing it until May 03, when my Vette comes out from winter hibernation. :thumbs:
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Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
I liked the look of my corsa's but they got too loud with all my mods. With the H/C setup they were somewhat louder than I liked for the most part, when I added the ATI it was way loud. After final dyno when tuning in the SC we raised the car dropped the corsa and bolted on the GHL, we redyno'd and not only did it sound great and greatly reduced noise, we had 18 more rwhp and similar tq. This system does not add this much power to stock cars maybe 5 to 7 hp but as you add other mods this system will keep building with your car. I obviously highly recommend the ghl.
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Re: GHL (AKFINEST)
The first thing I would recommend is not to catch yourself in the "Tell me what I want to hear" game which so many of us fall into. With that said, I'm not sure you will get an unbiased opinion from the manufacturer. If you called Borla, I'm sure they will offer compelling reasons as to why you should purchase the Stingers.
I am in a similar position and but ihave a 2 week (more or less) deadline. I have narrowed it down to the 4" Bullseye GHL Tips, the 4" GHL Pipe tips that owners have mentioned in this thread or the new stinger STINGER Quad tips. But rather than try to find out which one is better, I try to find out which of them will give me the things that I do not want:
1. Degree of Resonance or Cabin Noise
2. Sound Annoyance Worsening as time goes by.
3. Popping and Gurgling upon decelleration
Number 1 is very important, especilly cause I'll be driving 1400 miles back home after I pick up the car.
Number 2. - History shows that the sound and/or resonance with some
of these systems get worse with time. Don't know why that is, but by then you want to get ridf the damn things.
Number 3 - This is a toughy and can be the most annoying to some.
Unfortunately, noone has been able to give an answer or solution. Many use the x-pipe but it only reduces it a bit.
You could try the forum vendors for more info, especially the ones that sell many of these sytems, but you have to be careful with partial opinion there as well, especially if one system is more lucrative for the vendor (sorry vendors) than the other.
I would definitely stick with the forum members, particularly the ones who actually own or have owned the systems. and I wouldn't be concerned about bugging people. Thats what these forums are all about. Chances are by asking the question, you are helping someone else out who is trying to decide on the same thing - like me!!!! :)
I am in a similar position and but ihave a 2 week (more or less) deadline. I have narrowed it down to the 4" Bullseye GHL Tips, the 4" GHL Pipe tips that owners have mentioned in this thread or the new stinger STINGER Quad tips. But rather than try to find out which one is better, I try to find out which of them will give me the things that I do not want:
1. Degree of Resonance or Cabin Noise
2. Sound Annoyance Worsening as time goes by.
3. Popping and Gurgling upon decelleration
Number 1 is very important, especilly cause I'll be driving 1400 miles back home after I pick up the car.
Number 2. - History shows that the sound and/or resonance with some
of these systems get worse with time. Don't know why that is, but by then you want to get ridf the damn things.
Number 3 - This is a toughy and can be the most annoying to some.
Unfortunately, noone has been able to give an answer or solution. Many use the x-pipe but it only reduces it a bit.
You could try the forum vendors for more info, especially the ones that sell many of these sytems, but you have to be careful with partial opinion there as well, especially if one system is more lucrative for the vendor (sorry vendors) than the other.
I would definitely stick with the forum members, particularly the ones who actually own or have owned the systems. and I wouldn't be concerned about bugging people. Thats what these forums are all about. Chances are by asking the question, you are helping someone else out who is trying to decide on the same thing - like me!!!! :)
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From: Below the Mason/Dixon Line Alabama
Re: GHL (MarkFLC5)
The first thing I would recommend is not to catch yourself in the "Tell me what I want to hear" game which so many of us fall into. With that said, I'm not sure you will get an unbiased opinion from the manufacturer. If you called Borla, I'm sure they will offer compelling reasons as to why you should purchase the Stingers.
I am in a similar position and but ihave a 2 week (more or less) deadline. I have narrowed it down to the 4" Bullseye GHL Tips, the 4" GHL Pipe tips that owners have mentioned in this thread or the new stinger STINGER Quad tips. But rather than try to find out which one is better, I try to find out which of them will give me the things that I do not want:
1. Degree of Resonance or Cabin Noise
2. Sound Annoyance Worsening as time goes by.
3. Popping and Gurgling upon decelleration
Number 1 is very important, especilly cause I'll be driving 1400 miles back home after I pick up the car.
Number 2. - History shows that the sound and/or resonance with some
of these systems get worse with time. Don't know why that is, but by then you want to get ridf the damn things.
Number 3 - This is a toughy and can be the most annoying to some.
Unfortunately, noone has been able to give an answer or solution. Many use the x-pipe but it only reduces it a bit.
You could try the forum vendors for more info, especially the ones that sell many of these sytems, but you have to be careful with partial opinion there as well, especially if one system is more lucrative for the vendor (sorry vendors) than the other.
I would definitely stick with the forum members, particularly the ones who actually own or have owned the systems. and I wouldn't be concerned about bugging people. Thats what these forums are all about. Chances are by asking the question, you are helping someone else out who is trying to decide on the same thing - like me!!!! :)
I am in a similar position and but ihave a 2 week (more or less) deadline. I have narrowed it down to the 4" Bullseye GHL Tips, the 4" GHL Pipe tips that owners have mentioned in this thread or the new stinger STINGER Quad tips. But rather than try to find out which one is better, I try to find out which of them will give me the things that I do not want:
1. Degree of Resonance or Cabin Noise
2. Sound Annoyance Worsening as time goes by.
3. Popping and Gurgling upon decelleration
Number 1 is very important, especilly cause I'll be driving 1400 miles back home after I pick up the car.
Number 2. - History shows that the sound and/or resonance with some
of these systems get worse with time. Don't know why that is, but by then you want to get ridf the damn things.
Number 3 - This is a toughy and can be the most annoying to some.
Unfortunately, noone has been able to give an answer or solution. Many use the x-pipe but it only reduces it a bit.
You could try the forum vendors for more info, especially the ones that sell many of these sytems, but you have to be careful with partial opinion there as well, especially if one system is more lucrative for the vendor (sorry vendors) than the other.
I would definitely stick with the forum members, particularly the ones who actually own or have owned the systems. and I wouldn't be concerned about bugging people. Thats what these forums are all about. Chances are by asking the question, you are helping someone else out who is trying to decide on the same thing - like me!!!! :)
Had Corsa Tourings on a H/C car: nice sound, no issues, particularly no resonance which I liked. Unfortunately, blew something in the mufflers when I built my big block and hated the sound. Considered pursuing the warranty with Corsa, decided to do something radical, and put on a set of STINGERS. They sounded great on the OUTSIDE and AWFUL inside: tremendous cabin resonance at about 2k rpms and enough sheer noise at WOT to hurt my ears. Tried to get used to it, finally gave up.
Now have the quad 4" GHL's: love them! Look great, sound great, no resonance. As always, beauty is in the eye (or ear) of the beholder. For an old fart, with a big block and sensitive ears, this was the way to go.
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From: Cincinnati Ohio
Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
I have Magnaflows with the X pipe right now and love them. But if the GHL's were available earlier this year when I bought my exhaust I would have bought the GHLs if I did not intend on getting longtubes.
And I would go with LAPD when you buy your GHLs. :yesnod: :thumbs:
And I would go with LAPD when you buy your GHLs. :yesnod: :thumbs:
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Re: GHL (batsallover)
I am telling you, when you look at each & every negative aspect of other brands, the GHL has NONE.
No drone
No resonance
No gurgle or putt putt sound
What the GHL has is:
Strong powerful deep throaty V8 sound
100% polished & perfectly finished pipes & welds
Tip choices.
Lightweight.
Positive HP gains.
To me and many others, there is nothing to knock about the GHL's.
Maybe the only thing I am getting a little tired of is people CONSTANTLY asking me to rev my car, start my car, and asking what kind of exhaust that is..
I have said this for quite some time now.... I am VERY experienced in C5 mods. If you are unsure about the GHL, 2 words.... GET IT!
Trust me on this dudes....! :yesnod: :smash: :D
No drone
No resonance
No gurgle or putt putt sound
What the GHL has is:
Strong powerful deep throaty V8 sound
100% polished & perfectly finished pipes & welds
Tip choices.
Lightweight.
Positive HP gains.
To me and many others, there is nothing to knock about the GHL's.
Maybe the only thing I am getting a little tired of is people CONSTANTLY asking me to rev my car, start my car, and asking what kind of exhaust that is..
I have said this for quite some time now.... I am VERY experienced in C5 mods. If you are unsure about the GHL, 2 words.... GET IT!
Trust me on this dudes....! :yesnod: :smash: :D
Instructor
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From: Bonsall CA
Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
The GHL exhaust sounds great and looks great to me. If there is a 15 HP increase, that is only a 4.28% boost in high rpm HP. If increased torque and HP is the goal there needs to be induction and engine changes. The exhaust is for fun unless you are highly skilled and competitive (unlike me).
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Re: GHL (indypace78)
I am telling you, when you look at each & every negative aspect of other brands, the GHL has NONE.
No drone
No resonance
No gurgle or putt putt sound
What the GHL has is:
Strong powerful deep throaty V8 sound
100% polished & perfectly finished pipes & welds
Tip choices.
Lightweight.
Positive HP gains.
To me and many others, there is nothing to knock about the GHL's.
Maybe the only thing I am getting a little tired of is people CONSTANTLY asking me to rev my car, start my car, and asking what kind of exhaust that is..
I have said this for quite some time now.... I am VERY experienced in C5 mods. If you are unsure about the GHL, 2 words.... GET IT!
Trust me on this dudes....! :yesnod: :smash: :D
No drone
No resonance
No gurgle or putt putt sound
What the GHL has is:
Strong powerful deep throaty V8 sound
100% polished & perfectly finished pipes & welds
Tip choices.
Lightweight.
Positive HP gains.
To me and many others, there is nothing to knock about the GHL's.
Maybe the only thing I am getting a little tired of is people CONSTANTLY asking me to rev my car, start my car, and asking what kind of exhaust that is..
I have said this for quite some time now.... I am VERY experienced in C5 mods. If you are unsure about the GHL, 2 words.... GET IT!
Trust me on this dudes....! :yesnod: :smash: :D
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From: Gone
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St. Jude Donor '03
Re: GHL (batsallover)
I would have bought the GHLs if I did not intend on getting longtubes.
I don't understand why headers would affect a choice in the axle-back system. Mine sounds awesome with the FLP's.
:cheers:
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Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
Wow, for some reason this thread is generating a lot of comments that I have not heard before, and I like what I am reading. I am likely giving my Vette the GHLs for Christmas and reading some of the above comments only encourages that decision.
Thanks for the quality, informative comments guys. And keep 'em coming.
:cheers:
Thanks for the quality, informative comments guys. And keep 'em coming.
:cheers:
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St. Jude Donor '03-'04-'05-'06
Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
DanielJordan,
Your email was forwarded to us by GHL.
They want us to answer your questions because of our experience and testing of every aftermarket exhaust system available.
We will email you back very shortly.
It seems like you have gotten a lot of information regarding the GHLs from forum members that have the system on their own cars and I think that means more than what any manufacturer or vendor will tell you.
Just ask Indypace78! He has also tested almost every aftermarket exhaust system and he will be the first to tell you to go with the GHLs.
If you have any further questions, please email us at: Sales@TheLAPD.com
Thanks!
Shawn
Your email was forwarded to us by GHL.
They want us to answer your questions because of our experience and testing of every aftermarket exhaust system available.
We will email you back very shortly.
It seems like you have gotten a lot of information regarding the GHLs from forum members that have the system on their own cars and I think that means more than what any manufacturer or vendor will tell you.
Just ask Indypace78! He has also tested almost every aftermarket exhaust system and he will be the first to tell you to go with the GHLs.
If you have any further questions, please email us at: Sales@TheLAPD.com
Thanks!
Shawn
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From: HONOLULU HAWAII
Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
Just wanted to put my 2 cents in...I also love the GHL's, mostly for all the reasons previously stated. I switched out the tips for the 4" quads (originally had the bullseyes) and I like the agressive look. Another reason to go with the GHL's and LAPD (Shawn) is customer service. You cannot beat them!!! If they are in stock they will be shipped and at your door in 2 days. Go for it! I have yet to hear about anyone not liking the GHL's once they were installed.
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Bill
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Bill
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From: Portland OR
Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
Thanks everybody for the information on GHL's. You've convinced me. I will order them soon to connect up with my FLP's. Has anyone purchased the 3.5" round rolled edge tips yet? The 4" tips are nice, but I am looking for a little more subdued look.
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St. Jude Donor '03
Re: GHL (alc2001)
You own a bright yellow corvette, and you want a subdued look?!?
Not possible. :D :lol:
FYI I think LAPD has quad 3" tips as well.
:seeya
Not possible. :D :lol:
FYI I think LAPD has quad 3" tips as well.
:seeya
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From: Houston Texas
Re: GHL (DanielJordan)
I've heard the Corsa Ti system and am very impressed. If it wasn't for the price, this is the system I would have on my Z06. It sounds great. Throaty but not too much. Also, have you considered PRT's?