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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 11:30 AM
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I'm replacing my valve springs with dual springs from TSP but I have ran into an issue. On cylinder 4 I got the intake valve spring replaced with no problem, as far as the exhaust valve I am having a bit of an issue. Seems like the keeper is seized.

I have the cylinder aired up with 120 psi. As I am compressing the spring, the valve goes down with the spring as the keeper won't let go of the valve. I have tried whacking it many times with a rubber mallet but no luck. It is really stuck on there.

My last resort is to cut the spring with a dremel tool. Maybe not the smartest idea but I am very frustrated.

Any help is appreciated.

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Originally Posted by robert3elizondo
I'm replacing my valve springs with dual springs from TSP but I have ran into an issue. On cylinder 4 I got the intake valve spring replaced with no problem, as far as the exhaust valve I am having a bit of an issue. Seems like the keeper is seized.

I have the cylinder aired up with 120 psi. As I am compressing the spring, the valve goes down with the spring as the keeper won't let go of the valve. I have tried whacking it many times with a rubber mallet but no luck. It is really stuck on there.

My last resort is to cut the spring with a dremel tool. Maybe not the smartest idea but I am very frustrated.

Any help is appreciated.
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Old Sep 3, 2021 | 11:58 AM
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Couldn't really find anything that can help me through that link, thanks anyways.
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Originally Posted by robert3elizondo
Couldn't really find anything that can help me through that link, thanks anyways.
How do you remove a stuck valve keeper? serach this.
First video u see.

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Is it the retainer (the round metal piece that the spring pushes against, or the keepers (the two little pieces of metal that that fit in the groove of the valve) ?

When doing valve springs, I generally pressurize the combustion chamber - then take a 1" deep socket, place it on the valve retainer, and hit the top of the valve retainer with a pretty good sized dead blow hammer. That tends to break the bond between the valve spring retainer retainer and the keepers.

The retainer is supposed to go down with the spring as you compress the spring - then you remove the keepers, and slowly release pressure on the spring compressor - with no keepers in place the retainer just comes off the valve stem.
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Is it the retainer (the round metal piece that the spring pushes against, or the keepers (the two little pieces of metal that that fit in the groove of the valve) ?

When doing valve springs, I generally pressurize the combustion chamber - then take a 1" deep socket, place it on the valve retainer, and hit the top of the valve retainer with a pretty good sized dead blow hammer. That tends to break the bond between the valve spring retainer retainer and the keepers.

The retainer is supposed to go down with the spring as you compress the spring - then you remove the keepers, and slowly release pressure on the spring compressor - with no keepers in place the retainer just comes off the valve stem.
Correct, the retainer is where it needs to be. The retainer compresses with the spring but so does the keepers. I have already tried the socket method but I will try hitting it a bit harder this time. Maybe it just needs a really good smack.

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When yoy wach the spring make sure you don't hit rhe valve stem hit the retainer down without hitting the valve stem. That should solve your problem
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I have noticed that the keepers sit deeper than the rest of the keepers in the valve train, thinking it's really suck in there.
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When yoy wach the spring make sure you don't hit rhe valve stem hit the retainer down without hitting the valve stem. That should solve your problem
I believe that is part of the issue. I will try hitting around the retainer.
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Originally Posted by petersm
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When yoy wach the spring make sure you don't hit rhe valve stem hit the retainer down without hitting the valve stem. That should solve your problem
Got it unstuck!! Thanks a lot sir
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Originally Posted by robert3elizondo
Got it unstuck!! Thanks a lot sir
is anything damaged??
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is anything damaged??
Nope nothing! Got all the springs replaced, now time for the trunnion upgrade!
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Originally Posted by robert3elizondo
I'm replacing my valve springs with dual springs from TSP but I have ran into an issue. On cylinder 4 I got the intake valve spring replaced with no problem, as far as the exhaust valve I am having a bit of an issue. Seems like the keeper is seized.

I have the cylinder aired up with 120 psi. As I am compressing the spring, the valve goes down with the spring as the keeper won't let go of the valve. I have tried whacking it many times with a rubber mallet but no luck. It is really stuck on there.

My last resort is to cut the spring with a dremel tool. Maybe not the smartest idea but I am very frustrated.

Any help is appreciated.
Use @ 9/16 deep socket over valve spring and give it a whack. Should free up.
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Originally Posted by kh400
Use @ 9/16 deep socket over valve spring and give it a whack. Should free up.
We already got it.
He Called me and i talked him through it. He was so happy he bought me a steak dinner.
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We already got it.
He Called me and i talked him through it. He was so happy he bought me a steak dinner.
Sure did
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Originally Posted by kh400
Use @ 9/16 deep socket over valve spring and give it a whack. Should free up.
That's how we did it in the old days. Always just gave it a whack before trying to compress the valve spring

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Originally Posted by C5MSG2004Vert
That's how we did it in the old days. Always just gave it a whack before trying to compress the valve spring
Ah, the old days....For sure, a whack in the right place can do wonders. For instance, my situation comes to mind. Back in the old days, when I was 'stuck' in a pattern of misbehaving, I remember dad (RIP) would give me a 'whack', and presto, I was good again!! Always did the trick!!
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Originally Posted by grinder11
Ah, the old days....For sure, a whack in the right place can do wonders. For instance, my situation comes to mind. Back in the old days, when I was 'stuck' in a pattern of misbehaving, I remember dad (RIP) would give me a 'whack', and presto, I was good again!! Always did the trick!!
im dad whacked me so bad, i didn't remember what i did wrong.
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Originally Posted by grinder11
Ah, the old days....For sure, a whack in the right place can do wonders. For instance, my situation comes to mind. Back in the old days, when I was 'stuck' in a pattern of misbehaving, I remember dad (RIP) would give me a 'whack', and presto, I was good again!! Always did the trick!!
A whack at the right time and for a good reason is a lost art that today you go to jail for, except if your whacking valve springs.
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