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Old Jun 12, 2022 | 04:04 PM
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So the way this happened was I was at a stoplight idling and the car just shut off. I tried to restart the engine it did I pulled into the nearest parking lot and then got it towed. I ripped the whole thing apart and found out I have a bent valve and the piston hit it do you guys think I need to replace the piston I do not a race and I am fairly gentle with the car.
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Old Jun 12, 2022 | 04:46 PM
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So the way this happened was I was at a stoplight idling and the car just shut off. I tried to restart the engine it did I pulled into the nearest parking lot and then got it towed. I ripped the whole thing apart and found out I have a bent valve and the piston hit it do you guys think I need to replace the piston I do not a race and I am fairly gentle with the car.
weird.. wouldnt the car still run with a bent valve? so you are idling and boom.... so strange wish i knew my **** sorry cant help. My guess someone here will chime in with a pro answer
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Old Jun 12, 2022 | 05:16 PM
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That looks more like the valve spring retainer let go and the valve dropped into the cylinder hitting the piston resulting in the bent valve stem. I have had that happen on a car previously and it did not need anything done to the short block. Repaired the head and valves and it ran until I sold it much later. It might also work in this case. You were also very lucky you were at low rpms. I had a valve drop like that at a race at about 6800 rpm and it pushed the piston out of the side of the block.
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The real question is why did the valve hit the piston? You didn't say if you found that culprit.

That is an odd pattern on the piston.

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Old Jun 12, 2022 | 05:40 PM
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ButchMagnum - To answer your question - Yes - you do need to replace that piston !..
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 01:23 AM
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If it was me and all I cared about was being able to cruise around, I'd have the heads rebuilt, bolt them on and send it.
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Old Jun 13, 2022 | 02:56 AM
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Hard to tell the extent of damage to the piston from that pic. Could be a deep scratch, or a direct hit capable of creating a weak spot.

Thing is we don’t know if the valve dropped and hit the piston and bent, causing the repeated scars. Or, if some aspect of the piston/rod broke loose ramming the valve, out of time.

I wouldn’t rule out reusing that piston just yet. Let’s get more info.


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Do you know car’s history? Just wondering if it might have been raced or had engine work in the past. I would pull the pan and inspect bottom. Plan to replace piston and get the head reworked. Think I would also pull other side valve cover and check all looks good. Good luck!
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Will the OP ever post again? That is the real question at this time.
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Old Jun 15, 2022 | 07:34 PM
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Will the OP ever post again? That is the real question at this time.
Good question!! I have another; is it me, or does anyone else think the extra swirl marks are from a de-carbonizing tool that was spun in a drill motor? Either that, or some PO broke a valve spring, shut it down quickly, saving the piston, changed the spring, and sold it?? An engine should run with one bent valve. I recently forgot to plug in one coil pack after I had the valve covers off, and the car fired right up, and idled mighty rough, but it did run......
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Originally Posted by grinder11
Good question!! I have another; is it me, or does anyone else think the extra swirl marks are from a de-carbonizing tool that was spun in a drill motor? Either that, or some PO broke a valve spring, shut it down quickly, saving the piston, changed the spring, and sold it??
I'm thinking kind of the same thing. The OP states that the car "just shut off". I would think that if it shut off because of this, there would've been more noise than "just shut off". But then, I would have to guess that there was a little more to to that event if it motivated him to pull the heads first.

To answer the OP title question, yes, at this point, I would want to pull the engine apart and see what else lurks. But this is defintitely the result of a valve train issue.
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Curious to what happen here as well and if he has aftermarket cam and springs.
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NEVER......Try assembling engine parts when you're over-tired! Wish I had a video of the look on my face when I did almost the same thing. I installed a melling HV Oil pump on my wet sump LS7. So, I wanted to make sure everything cleared under the timing cover. So (have you guessed it yet?) I installed the timing cover w/o the gasket, to see if the pump held it away from the block. It didn't, so it was all good. It was like 9:30pm, after a 10 hour day at work, and the wife came out to the garage wondering when I was coming in. So....I centered and torqued the cover down, and even put the rack back in, then I went inside. The next evening, I went out, and PRESTO-Theres the new timing cover gasket, laying on the bench!!!! DOHHHH!!!!!
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Originally Posted by grinder11
NEVER......Try assembling engine parts when you're over-tired! Wish I had a video of the look on my face when I did almost the same thing. I installed a melling HV Oil pump on my wet sump LS7. So, I wanted to make sure everything cleared under the timing cover. So (have you guessed it yet?) I installed the timing cover w/o the gasket, to see if the pump held it away from the block. It didn't, so it was all good. It was like 9:30pm, after a 10 hour day at work, and the wife came out to the garage wondering when I was coming in. So....I centered and torqued the cover down, and even put the rack back in, then I went inside. The next evening, I went out, and PRESTO-Theres the new timing cover gasket, laying on the bench!!!! DOHHHH!!!!!

Thats classic.

I once built a BBC and the very last detail was installing the balancer. They’re a bitch to get on and you’re not supposed to use the crank bolt to push it on. It’s late, I’m tired, didn’t have the correct tool, and…. I broke the bolt off in the crank! Had to completely disassemble the engine to have the crank snout sorted out, and then put it all back together.

Sometimes it’s just better to finish the next day.
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