C5 Alternator Woes
From the first start, the car was throwing a P1637 and P1638, along with the charge system fault on the DIC. Factory 2002 Z06 alternator. Double checked I had everything still pinned correctly at the ecu, and it was all correct. I had a brand new 145 amp AC delco alternator on the shelf I bought a few years ago and never used. Decided to swap it in in thoughts that maybe my stocker was done. I did tear the stocker apart and coat the housing, so thought maybe I didn’t get it back together right(yes, the alternator and bracket mounting points were masked and are metal on metal).
New alternator in, same thing, then after the car ran for about 5 min around 11.8v, suddenly the idle changed, voltage went up to mid 14v, and the charge fault warning went away. I thought it was fixed, cycled the motor a few times, and all good. Disconnected the battery, went back out a week later to work on the car, and same issue as before.
I decided to turn off F and L monitoring on the stock ecu, along with the trouble codes, and hook the alternator L terminal up to a switched 12v with a 470 ohm resistor in line to attempt to get the alternator excited and begin the charge. Same thing, sits about 11.8v and drops as the car idles over time. I have tried it with both the sensing wire connected and not connected, have checked for voltage drop across the alternator post to positive on battery, only .07v. Alternator voltage matches within .1v when I check voltage direct on the battery, and when I check the post and use the alternator case for ground.
I am stumped, is the alternator on the C5 looking for something special over the 470 ohm resistor to excite and begin charging? I know these cars are finicky with the alternator, and with everything turned off now, I prefer to keep it that way, feed it what it needs to work, and not have to worry about the stock ecu talking to it, if I can get away with it.
Sorry for the long post, any and all thoughts welcome.
S terminal is a mirror image of battery voltage at all times. I have a 2 gauge cable running from battery, through a 200A fuse, to the starter, then 2 ga from starter to B post on alternator, and the factory fused link wire running to S terminal from the starter. Everything was out of the car during the build, and the positive terminal is clean and tight.
I did find the problem, turned out to be the battery. Try hooking your battery up to a battery charger( a digitally controlled one if you have access) and leave it on a 1-2A trickle until it reads full. Drive it around afterwards and see if the symptoms alleviate. It will be a temporary band-aid if the battery is causing your issue, but it will at least give you some evidence that it is or is not the problem.
I wish I knew exactly why the battery was causing the chaotic behavior, but I do not know lead-acid battery design to know what happens. Someone else might chime in on that to give an explanation. Regardless, swapping the battery for a new one solved the issue and the car runs as it was intended with the voltage barely fluctuating between 13.8 and 14V
The alternator is rather dumb, despite some historic postings you might find here claiming it's some super special unique design. The alternator is not controlled by the PCM, as in the PCM has no control over the charging voltage. The main issue people have replacing the alternator is that the L terminal from the PCM doesn't provide enough voltage or current to excite the regulator in some replacement alternators. I would have expected 470ohms was enough for a stock alternator but maybe it isn't. Hence testing it with a test light which will do it.
The alternator is rather dumb, despite some historic postings you might find here claiming it's some super special unique design. The alternator is not controlled by the PCM, as in the PCM has no control over the charging voltage. The main issue people have replacing the alternator is that the L terminal from the PCM doesn't provide enough voltage or current to excite the regulator in some replacement alternators. I would have expected 470ohms was enough for a stock alternator but maybe it isn't. Hence testing it with a test light which will do it.
Here is a shot of it while I was finishing up the install. I was able to tap the front c5 spacing bolt hole to a 1/2-13 and mount my cold piping to it just like it was designed.
Last edited by 69GTO96Z; Feb 1, 2023 at 07:53 PM.













