Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions
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Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions
What do you guys think of the Dilusi Stage III setup. I think DarthVetter and Eug ran it to enjoyment :D
I am getting it for performance, so there won't be any slotting or crossdrilling. So is this setup up to the task for the cash or should I look elsewhere? Will be trying my hand at roadracing etc.
any other comments on it? Help me decide :D :D :D
thanks :cheers:
[Modified by intel55, 1:07 AM 2/11/2003]
I am getting it for performance, so there won't be any slotting or crossdrilling. So is this setup up to the task for the cash or should I look elsewhere? Will be trying my hand at roadracing etc.
any other comments on it? Help me decide :D :D :D
thanks :cheers:
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (intel55)
call the folks over at stoptech.com and you will believe :yesnod: awesome customer service :cheers: Also if you do plan on road racing, stotted ones are the better choice :yesnod:
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (Moundir)
The calipers they use for this setup are not of high quality. You should get a Stoptech, Baer, or other premium setup if you are doing track events. The ONLY advantage to the Dilusi is that they fit under small wheels.
I run and sell Stoptechs.
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (davidfarmer)
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (J-Rod)
Agree with previous speaker, Brembo/MovIt/Porsche-kits are best performance.
Added bonus is that the Brembo/MovIt/Porsche are proven over and over again in roadracing. Why else would the vendors selling Baer&such still carry these systems, seeing how they cost slighty more than the US-made products?
Rotors cast with holes and not drilled afterwards, higher-grade steel many times heatcycled, monoblock calipers and so on costs $$$ but you usually get what you pay for...
Added bonus is that the Brembo/MovIt/Porsche are proven over and over again in roadracing. Why else would the vendors selling Baer&such still carry these systems, seeing how they cost slighty more than the US-made products?
Rotors cast with holes and not drilled afterwards, higher-grade steel many times heatcycled, monoblock calipers and so on costs $$$ but you usually get what you pay for...
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (intel55)
David, The Stoptech web page lists a front and rear C5 setup. The rear is new. Any info on this? Do you keep the parking brake? I remember you were running factory front calipers on the rear?
My roommate is a Viper Tech at the local dealership and has several customers that run track days etc. He has installed a BAER Alcon front setup on a GTS and the full Stoptech kit on another GTS. He said fit and finish on the Stoptechs were much better. FWIW
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My roommate is a Viper Tech at the local dealership and has several customers that run track days etc. He has installed a BAER Alcon front setup on a GTS and the full Stoptech kit on another GTS. He said fit and finish on the Stoptechs were much better. FWIW
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (Z06C5)
The Wilwood calipers are not high quality? What is wrong with them? :eek:
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I think it would be fair to say the Wilwoods used in the Dilusi setp are not up to the harsh environment and big demands of high speed track duty. They may be of good quality but they aren't designed for such extreme use. Like David said, they will fit in a stock wheel and that's their appeal.
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Re: (gpflepsen)
Wilwood, Baer, Alcon, They are all good products. Not saying htat at all. But, the Brembos are the best you can buy. As stated, the coling holes are actually cast into the rotor. Go out and look at Movit's site. Lots of good pics. But if you ask folks, who race, they will tell you the Brembos are the best you can buy.
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Errr.....When I said cast not drilled holes etc I was actually referring to the MovIts....
Movit gets their rotors from the same manufacturer as Porsche, these are the standard rotors in both Porsche GT3 and 996Turbo, Brembos are NOT the same as the Porsche-kit since they(mostly) make their own rotors&calipers.
I've talked to some people who've run both the Brembos and MovIt/Porsche and they've noted slightly less wear and cracking over long periods with the MovIt/Porsche.
Not saying that the Brembos fall apart but more micro-cracks and calipers that get's slightly hotter due to less mass absorbing the heat generated.
This being experiences given from teams in 24H so not saying that most of us would ever get to a stage when it'd be more economical to get the set with the least wear...
Both are supposedly excellent is what I meant to say :D :D :D
Movit gets their rotors from the same manufacturer as Porsche, these are the standard rotors in both Porsche GT3 and 996Turbo, Brembos are NOT the same as the Porsche-kit since they(mostly) make their own rotors&calipers.
I've talked to some people who've run both the Brembos and MovIt/Porsche and they've noted slightly less wear and cracking over long periods with the MovIt/Porsche.
Not saying that the Brembos fall apart but more micro-cracks and calipers that get's slightly hotter due to less mass absorbing the heat generated.
This being experiences given from teams in 24H so not saying that most of us would ever get to a stage when it'd be more economical to get the set with the least wear...
Both are supposedly excellent is what I meant to say :D :D :D
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (intel55)
Here are some pictures of the Stage III setup on my car. Love em or hate em... they are a big step up from the OEM Trash the car came with. In addition to the fact thay they are $2000 less than the Baers, as well as being a front and rear kit too. The OEM Parking brake is retained on this system too.
vetterdstr :cheers:
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vetterdstr :cheers:
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (vetterdstr)
davidfarmer,
I would really like to know what facts this statement is based on!
gpflepsen,
Ones again, what kind of facts (real world data, etc) is this statement based on?
I hope this is not another one of those A S Sumptions or hearsay that every other post here seems to have. :rolleyes:
If you’re a real expert on this subject - I apologize, and would love to hear you explanation! :cool:
BTW: Does anybody know another BIG brake system that has fronts & rears and retains emergency brake? ;)
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The calipers they use for this setup are not of high quality
gpflepsen,
I think it would be fair to say the Wilwoods used in the Dilusi setp are not up to the harsh environment and big demands of high speed track duty. They may be of good quality but they aren't designed for such extreme use.
I hope this is not another one of those A S Sumptions or hearsay that every other post here seems to have. :rolleyes:
If you’re a real expert on this subject - I apologize, and would love to hear you explanation! :cool:
BTW: Does anybody know another BIG brake system that has fronts & rears and retains emergency brake? ;)
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (CPT Z06)
I have the Willwoods. The car does not see the track so the brakes are not put to any extensive use but they are an improvement over stock and I am happy with the purchase.
If it was going to be a track car I may have gone another direction but so far so good!! :cheers:
If it was going to be a track car I may have gone another direction but so far so good!! :cheers:
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (EuG)
Ones again, what kind of facts (real world data, etc) is this statement based on?
I hope this is not another one of those A S Sumptions or hearsay that every other post here seems to have. :rolleyes:
If you’re a real expert on this subject - I apologize, and would love to hear you explanation! :cool:
I hope this is not another one of those A S Sumptions or hearsay that every other post here seems to have. :rolleyes:
If you’re a real expert on this subject - I apologize, and would love to hear you explanation! :cool:
Just look at the brake pads swept area. This will tell allot of it's track capabilities.
Not being able to find the Wilwoods specs, you have to guestimate from the figure
I come up with a very generous 61 sq. cm. pad area with a swept area of about 6000 sq. cm.
By comparison, the brembo F40 pad is about 75 sq. cm and 8000 sq cm.
That's about 25% difference.
Sure the Wilwoods are great and beat the pants off the stock set-up, but don't confuse these with real big breaks.
A quote from wilwoods site:
The Superlite 6 billet six piston caliper with "Big-brake" styling meets the high performance demands of today's tire, wheel and suspension technology.
I don't mean to belittle your choice in brake package, just stating they are not in the same league as real big brakes.
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (NoMercy)
I agree with NoMercy. The braking improvement is immediately noticed with the Wilwoods as it would be with others. I wanted to retain the emer. brake. I am not on the track as well. Good Luck :smash:
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[Modified by Sack Rat TT, 1:20 PM 2/12/2003]
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (gpflepsen)
No need to blow a circuit breaker ;)
The Superlite 6 billet six piston caliper with "Big-brake" styling meets the high performance demands of today's tire, wheel and suspension technology.
Have you ever seen one up close or held it in your hands? I have. :eek: :thumbs:
If you really know something about Willwood calipers we don’t, PLEASE let me know. I really DO wanna know. :yesnod: :yesnod:
Now on to the pad surface area point:
<LI>First of all I don’t think pad area is the final answer/measure of comparison of breaking power. :nono:
(And again what does it have to do with caliper quality :confused:
<LI>Secondly, you can get Stage IV kit if you really think you need it
(My guess its probably overkill for anything other than prolonged 1hr+ road racing sessions)
It’s another $500 (still way cheaper than most other BIG brake packages)
It comes with Wilwood’s GN III calipers.
Wilwood’s GN III is the latest version of this time tested caliper used for Stock Car, Road Race and Off Road racing.
By comparison, the brembo F40 pad is about 75 sq. cm and 8000 sq cm.
That's about 25% difference.
That's about 25% difference.
Now what? :D
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Re: Dilusi Big Brake package poll/opions (EuG)
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BTW: Does anybody know another BIG brake system that has fronts & rears and retains emergency brake? ;)
[Modified by EuG, 12:25 PM 2/12/2003]
BTW: Does anybody know another BIG brake system that has fronts & rears and retains emergency brake? ;)
[Modified by EuG, 12:25 PM 2/12/2003]