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Vats delete with Hp Tuners
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I might be wrong, but my understanding was that if the VATS system interferes, it cuts fuel, not crank?
There are a bunch of reasons why the car might not be cranking, what have you done to diagnose that it was the VATS/Security system and not something else?
There are a bunch of reasons why the car might not be cranking, what have you done to diagnose that it was the VATS/Security system and not something else?
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Possible issues:
-Contaminated/faulty key pellet
-Bad lock cylinder
-Bad BCM
-Bad associated wiring
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CheapC5: just to clarify does no crank to you mean (people often misuse these words, so I want to clarify):
1) the engine does not rotate? AKA the starter is not turning the engine over or
2) the starter is working and the engine is turning over, but you are not getting combustion and the engine is not turning on?
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When they BCM doesn't read the key resistance properly, the message "pull key for 10 sec" comes up on the display. The car will start, but fuel cut will occur at speeds above ~5mph iirc. However, you can disable the fuel cut with HPtuners so you can drive the car around, but the message saying pull key for 10sec will always be present if the key resistance does not match the expected range - even with the HPtuners change. This issue has no effect on starting the engine... only driving above ~5mph.
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Ok, I'm just going by experience, so I could be wrong. For my car, when I would start my engine and then get the message pull key (intermittent - 1 out of maybe 50 starts), It would idle as long as I want it to, but if I tried to drive the fuel cut happens? After I purchased HPtuners and turned the fuel cut off - the pull key message will still appear, but I can drive the car like normal.
No issues with starting, just driving before the HPtuners change. What am I misunderstanding?
No issues with starting, just driving before the HPtuners change. What am I misunderstanding?
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Ok, I'm just going by experience, so I could be wrong. For my car, when I would start my engine and then get the message pull key (intermittent - 1 out of maybe 50 starts), It would idle as long as I want it to, but if I tried to drive the fuel cut happens? After I purchased HPtuners and turned the fuel cut off - the pull key message will still appear, but I can drive the car like normal.
No issues with starting, just driving before the HPtuners change. What am I misunderstanding?
No issues with starting, just driving before the HPtuners change. What am I misunderstanding?
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