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Old Aug 4, 2025 | 10:10 AM
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Got the vette down for some upgrades. It has BBK shorty headers on it now with corsa cat back exhaust. Would it be worth it to put an h pipe in now?
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Factory is an H pipe — though the opening in the cross pipe is known to be questionable. If you’re thinking of an x pipe many appreciate the reduction in boat burble, but there is no appreciable power difference.


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Sorry I did mean X. Typed to fast. Thanks
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Sorry I did mean X. Typed to fast. Thanks
For what purpose? Are you expecting a HP gain from the X pipe? Shorties were the scam-o-rama from 20 years ago. You might see something on a dyno sheet, but that's about it.
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^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^. I once ran Billy Boat 1-3/4" shorties. They did help some according to my trap speeds, but only 1-2mph, maybe. I ran them on my 2000 A4 Vert. The 1997-2000 C5s have more restrictive OEM manifolds. So my slight improvement with the shorties would be even less on the 2001-2004 models. Sell your shorties and go with Kooks or LG long tubes. I went with Kooks 1-7/8 LTs, which covered virtually any hp upgrades I planned in the future. You may lose a bit of low end to lower mid-range torque, but I still recommend 1-7/8. Personal preference, and 1-3/4" tubes will probably be better on a 100% stock engine.
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Originally Posted by metalmech
Got the vette down for some upgrades. It has BBK shorty headers on it now with corsa cat back exhaust. Would it be worth it to put an h pipe in now?
If you have a corsa "catback" exhaust, it already comes with a new midpipe with an x-design. You might want to take a peak at what you have under there. You can post a photo here I can help identify what you actually have under there.

If you have a corsa "axleback" exhaust, it does not include a midpipe. Just corsa over axle pipes and corsa mufflers/tip assemblies.
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I have a '99 with HCI. I have often considered a pair of BBK or BBE shorties to keep passing emissions. They are only $500 or $600 a pair, and they claim to pick up 10-15 HP.. who knows..? But I think there are plenty that would drop $500 on a CAI that produces less than that.

Having said that, I took my car to my exhaust guy to check the cats to make sure I haven't plugged one up with the cam, and the whole stock exhaust system had zero back pressure on either bank. I told him I wanted to put a Magnaflow cat-back exhaust on it, and he talked me out of it. Basically he said I might pick up a handful of ponies but only at wide open throttle above 6000 rpm. I think the x-pipe is a similar investment. It will change your sound to something more exotic, but for performance, are we talking 4 or 5 horses at redline? Seems like a lot of work and expense to me.
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Originally Posted by dainon
I have a '99 with HCI. I have often considered a pair of BBK or BBE shorties to keep passing emissions. They are only $500 or $600 a pair, and they claim to pick up 10-15 HP.. who knows..? But I think there are plenty that would drop $500 on a CAI that produces less than that.

Having said that, I took my car to my exhaust guy to check the cats to make sure I haven't plugged one up with the cam, and the whole stock exhaust system had zero back pressure on either bank. I told him I wanted to put a Magnaflow cat-back exhaust on it, and he talked me out of it. Basically he said I might pick up a handful of ponies but only at wide open throttle above 6000 rpm. I think the x-pipe is a similar investment. It will change your sound to something more exotic, but for performance, are we talking 4 or 5 horses at redline? Seems like a lot of work and expense to me.
What David and the Steve's found was that both the H and X bought some power on the low end but less so on the high end -- although the X bought just a little bit more on the high end. That said, it might behoove us to note that the H pipe they tested was a full 2 1/2", while the factory H has been noted to have cross over apertures as small as a dime. An X pipe would at least assure that the crossover was actually doing something.
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Originally Posted by grinder11
^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^. I once ran Billy Boat 1-3/4" shorties. They did help some according to my trap speeds, but only 1-2mph, maybe. I ran them on my 2000 A4 Vert. The 1997-2000 C5s have more restrictive OEM manifolds. So my slight improvement with the shorties would be even less on the 2001-2004 models. Sell your shorties and go with Kooks or LG long tubes. I went with Kooks 1-7/8 LTs, which covered virtually any hp upgrades I planned in the future. You may lose a bit of low end to lower mid-range torque, but I still recommend 1-7/8. Personal preference, and 1-3/4" tubes will probably be better on a 100% stock engine.
Back to back dyno test show you will almost always be better off with 1 3/4. You would need a serious FI build to make enough power on a ls1/6 to get there. For that you're giving up appreciable power low that matters with all builds. Maybe it makes sense for a drag build or something.
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Originally Posted by dainon
I have a '99 with HCI. I have often considered a pair of BBK or BBE shorties to keep passing emissions. .
Another option is ls7 manifolds and downpipes. I've seen them real cheap once in a while. LS7 don't get much of a benefit with LT they are so good and different than ls3. As I have 2000's I considered them and shorties rather than buying 2001's but ended up with Maximizer LT and x-pipe from a closeout for $170.

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