2002 Z06 Engine Blown. . .Need Help, Advice
Drifting
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Re: 2002 Z06 Engine Blown. . .Need Help, Advice (MySea5)
One more thing that might help. There was a CEL on and found that it was a PCM code P0342 as per the vehicles dash computer. Thanks for all the help.
DTC P0342
Circuit Description
The camshaft position (CMP) sensor works in conjunction with a 1X reluctor wheel on the camshaft. The powertrain control module (PCM) provides a 12-volt reference, a low reference, and a signal circuit to the CMP sensor.
The CMP sensor determines whether a cylinder is on a firing stroke or on an exhaust stroke. A magnet within the sensor produces a magnetic field. The reluctor wheel of the rotating camshaft interrupts this magnetic field. The sensor's internal circuitry detects this field and produces a signal which the PCM reads. The PCM uses this 1X signal in combination with the 24X signal of the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor. The PCM uses this information in order to determine the crankshaft position and the stroke. The PCM monitors for a loss of the CMP sensor signal.
As long as the PCM receives the CKP sensor 24X signal, the engine will start. The PCM can determine the top dead center for all of the cylinders just by using the CKP sensor 24X signal. The PCM uses the CMP sensor 1X signal in order to determine which stroke the cylinder at the top dead center is on. The PCM determines if the cylinder is on the firing stroke or on the exhaust stroke. The system attempts synchronization, and looks for an increase in the engine speed indicating that the engine started. If the PCM does not detect an increase in engine speed, the PCM assumes that the PCM is incorrectly synchronized to the exhaust stroke. The PCM synchronizes to the opposite cam position. A slightly longer cranking time may be a symptom of this condition.
DTC P0342
Circuit Description
The camshaft position (CMP) sensor works in conjunction with a 1X reluctor wheel on the camshaft. The powertrain control module (PCM) provides a 12-volt reference, a low reference, and a signal circuit to the CMP sensor.
The CMP sensor determines whether a cylinder is on a firing stroke or on an exhaust stroke. A magnet within the sensor produces a magnetic field. The reluctor wheel of the rotating camshaft interrupts this magnetic field. The sensor's internal circuitry detects this field and produces a signal which the PCM reads. The PCM uses this 1X signal in combination with the 24X signal of the crankshaft position (CKP) sensor. The PCM uses this information in order to determine the crankshaft position and the stroke. The PCM monitors for a loss of the CMP sensor signal.
As long as the PCM receives the CKP sensor 24X signal, the engine will start. The PCM can determine the top dead center for all of the cylinders just by using the CKP sensor 24X signal. The PCM uses the CMP sensor 1X signal in order to determine which stroke the cylinder at the top dead center is on. The PCM determines if the cylinder is on the firing stroke or on the exhaust stroke. The system attempts synchronization, and looks for an increase in the engine speed indicating that the engine started. If the PCM does not detect an increase in engine speed, the PCM assumes that the PCM is incorrectly synchronized to the exhaust stroke. The PCM synchronizes to the opposite cam position. A slightly longer cranking time may be a symptom of this condition.
Everyone knows that PCM code P0342 means the Flux Capacitator is shot. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
jk. Hope everything works out ok for you.
Burning Brakes
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (MaluZ06)
To everyone that's been following along on this grizzly problem, I just got back from speaking to Jupiter Chevrolet, where I've taken my car in for work before. They were great!!! :party: Malcolm, the service manager, was really nice, and he agreed to go ahead and take care of the engine under warranty. He said he'd omit the 6800 rpm part from the write-up, so there wouldn't be any suspicion from General Motors when they do their inventory. I also got a chance to speak to Ken, the GM of the dealership, and he informed me that he wouldn't be able to do this if anyone found out about it, so I guess this is a one time offer. All in all, very great people, who don't give a damn about the GM reps :chevy
[Modified by MaluZ06, 7:32 PM 3/10/2003]
[Modified by MaluZ06, 7:32 PM 3/10/2003]
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (MaluZ06)
He said he'd omit the 6800 rpm part from the write-up, so there wouldn't be any suspicion from General Motors when they do their inventory. I also got a chance to speak to Ken, the GM of the dealership, and he informed me that he wouldn't be able to do this if anyone found out about it, so I guess this is a one time offer.
Le Mans Master
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (MaluZ06)
he informed me that he wouldn't be able to do this if anyone found out about it, so I guess this is a one time offer. All in all, very great people, who don't give a damn about the GM reps
Burning Brakes
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (SNISTER)
He said he'd omit the 6800 rpm part from the write-up, so there wouldn't be any suspicion from General Motors when they do their inventory. I also got a chance to speak to Ken, the GM of the dealership, and he informed me that he wouldn't be able to do this if anyone found out about it, so I guess this is a one time offer.
Now the whole world knows about it, thankfully, since you decided to brag about it here -- you don't think people from GM read these boards?? If you did something stupid to blow up your car, you deserve to pay for it, not GM. If a part broke because it was defective, then GM should pay for it. Fraud, anyone?
Now the whole world knows about it, thankfully, since you decided to brag about it here -- you don't think people from GM read these boards?? If you did something stupid to blow up your car, you deserve to pay for it, not GM. If a part broke because it was defective, then GM should pay for it. Fraud, anyone?
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (jawski)
Ya might want to ask the Mod's if they could get rid of this post for your own sake.....
I'm sure there are a lot of GM people on this board everyday :conehead :conehead :conehead :conehead
I'm sure there are a lot of GM people on this board everyday :conehead :conehead :conehead :conehead
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Melting Slicks
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (Ruby6spd)
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it up to the dealer, working with GM to determine what they will warranty? I mean what if someone purchased a new vette every 2 years from that dealer, wouldn't that count for something? What about goodwill, sometimes they may want to just show good faith, I know I do in my small business. Just a thought. Philosophy over.
Melting Slicks
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (CJS)
For major warranty repair isn't it GM(the parent company) that eats the cost? Not the dealer.
If I was the regional manager that had to approve this why would I care how many cars you bought from a particular dealer when it's going to hit my bottom line and not theirs(meaning the dealer) when it comes time to replace the 6k+ engine.
Then you consider the fact that the car is modded beyond factory specs(redline). I think it's an easy decision if your that manager presented with that scenario.
If I was the regional manager that had to approve this why would I care how many cars you bought from a particular dealer when it's going to hit my bottom line and not theirs(meaning the dealer) when it comes time to replace the 6k+ engine.
Then you consider the fact that the car is modded beyond factory specs(redline). I think it's an easy decision if your that manager presented with that scenario.
Burning Brakes
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (MaluZ06)
How do you pronounce your name? Is it MOE, last name RON?
A. You use an editor to bypass the factory redline, which, by the way, is set at that point for a reason other than a pencil pusher decided that's where it should be.
B. You announce on the internet exactly what you have done.
C. You manage to get your service writer to break all the rules and give you a warranty repair.
D. You announce THAT on the internet.
Good luck with the warranty.
A. You use an editor to bypass the factory redline, which, by the way, is set at that point for a reason other than a pencil pusher decided that's where it should be.
B. You announce on the internet exactly what you have done.
C. You manage to get your service writer to break all the rules and give you a warranty repair.
D. You announce THAT on the internet.
Good luck with the warranty.
Burning Brakes
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (CJS)
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it up to the dealer, working with GM to determine what they will warranty? I mean what if someone purchased a new vette every 2 years from that dealer, wouldn't that count for something? What about goodwill, sometimes they may want to just show good faith, I know I do in my small business. Just a thought. Philosophy over.
What's the old saying? You wanna play ya gotta pay.
[Modified by 1fastdog, 10:52 PM 3/11/2003]
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (1fastdog)
Well, you'd be surprised how much under the table dealings help out. From what I understand though, one of the transmission techs that worked on all my buddies' cars got fired. Apparently he was putting a new tranny in almost every car that came his way, even if all it needed were a few small parts here and there. Pat did a good job on street raced cars, like an SS that my buddy always speed shifted. hehe, he didn't even use the clutch to shift the gears, but that got fixed under warranty, and no one knew the better. Most of these techs at Chevy like to get paid on the side anyway, and everyone gets paid, right? The dealership gets paid by warranty, and so do the techs and advisors.
I also think the fact that finding marijuana, and other drug paraphenelia in my car after it's been in for service, puts a damper on the whole service experience. I've covered Jupiter's butt so many times by not calling GM about it, that it's about time that I get this fixed under warranty, right? I let the service manager know after I found some joints in my car (that a tech left) that his survey's wouldn't be good if I didn't get treated well.
And what does everyone mean when they say GM reads the boards? They don't know who I am, and they can't know for sure which car is mine and is getting worked on? Are they going to deny warranty claims on every Z06 with a blown engine in a 1000 mile radius? The car will look stock before it goes in to the shop anyway.
[Modified by MaluZ06, 8:33 AM 3/12/2003]
I also think the fact that finding marijuana, and other drug paraphenelia in my car after it's been in for service, puts a damper on the whole service experience. I've covered Jupiter's butt so many times by not calling GM about it, that it's about time that I get this fixed under warranty, right? I let the service manager know after I found some joints in my car (that a tech left) that his survey's wouldn't be good if I didn't get treated well.
And what does everyone mean when they say GM reads the boards? They don't know who I am, and they can't know for sure which car is mine and is getting worked on? Are they going to deny warranty claims on every Z06 with a blown engine in a 1000 mile radius? The car will look stock before it goes in to the shop anyway.
[Modified by MaluZ06, 8:33 AM 3/12/2003]
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (MaluZ06)
And what does everyone mean when they say GM reads the boards? They don't know who I am, and they can't know for sure which car is mine and is getting worked on? Are they going to deny warranty claims on every Z06 with a blown engine in a 1000 mile radius? The car will look stock before it goes in to the shop anyway.
Le Mans Master
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (MaluZ06)
Malu,
Once again I would ignore the insults..they just got little dicks. Anyway couple of things to help you out. One if you find a dealership that will apply common sense with your mods..such as not voiding your whole warranty becuase you have an Air Bridge or Cags eliminator. Don't give them up on this forum..as you can see there are some really big fingers on this board..but there are also some really good people and this forum provides a great service. You are new and made a couple of errors but it is no big deal. Just remember most would not talk to you like this to your face..lots of Window Warriors.
Anyway if you find a Service writer that is willing to help you...in the future let him/her and keep it between you. I had one it is great..and get this for any additional damages that I may have caused, that were to obvious, I just payed for extra hours at the warranty cost for hours, which is much different than paying regular cost per hour. An example..a busted 1/2 shaft...me to the service writer.."Well hey since you have to pull the rear end,,can you swap in some gears for me?" Service Writer, "yeah we will just charge you the time it takes to throw in the gears while the rearend is out of the car...net cost to me $75.00. So yes it does depend on the Service Dept. and applying some common sense. I wouldn't roll into the dealership with a 150 shot setup or blower on my car and tell them my pistons were cracked...take it off first.
Once again good luck in fixing your car and ignore the fingers.
The use of the replacement word "fingers" is another word for what some would call a cat and/or a vaginal opening.
[Modified by Shinobi'sZ, 7:37 AM 3/12/2003]
Once again I would ignore the insults..they just got little dicks. Anyway couple of things to help you out. One if you find a dealership that will apply common sense with your mods..such as not voiding your whole warranty becuase you have an Air Bridge or Cags eliminator. Don't give them up on this forum..as you can see there are some really big fingers on this board..but there are also some really good people and this forum provides a great service. You are new and made a couple of errors but it is no big deal. Just remember most would not talk to you like this to your face..lots of Window Warriors.
Anyway if you find a Service writer that is willing to help you...in the future let him/her and keep it between you. I had one it is great..and get this for any additional damages that I may have caused, that were to obvious, I just payed for extra hours at the warranty cost for hours, which is much different than paying regular cost per hour. An example..a busted 1/2 shaft...me to the service writer.."Well hey since you have to pull the rear end,,can you swap in some gears for me?" Service Writer, "yeah we will just charge you the time it takes to throw in the gears while the rearend is out of the car...net cost to me $75.00. So yes it does depend on the Service Dept. and applying some common sense. I wouldn't roll into the dealership with a 150 shot setup or blower on my car and tell them my pistons were cracked...take it off first.
Once again good luck in fixing your car and ignore the fingers.
The use of the replacement word "fingers" is another word for what some would call a cat and/or a vaginal opening.
[Modified by Shinobi'sZ, 7:37 AM 3/12/2003]
Melting Slicks
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (SNISTER)
And what does everyone mean when they say GM reads the boards? They don't know who I am, and they can't know for sure which car is mine and is getting worked on? Are they going to deny warranty claims on every Z06 with a blown engine in a 1000 mile radius? The car will look stock before it goes in to the shop anyway.
How many Z06's with the mods you've described have blown engines at JUPITER CHEVROLET? Are you really this ignorant??
How many Z06's with the mods you've described have blown engines at JUPITER CHEVROLET? Are you really this ignorant??
Le Mans Master
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (WildKarrde)
I agree, kill the thread.
Does anyone remember the mustang 03 thread where a service rep bragged about hotrodding it and how that spread to just about every car board on the web?
I suggest deleting this thread also
Does anyone remember the mustang 03 thread where a service rep bragged about hotrodding it and how that spread to just about every car board on the web?
I suggest deleting this thread also
Melting Slicks
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (knowledgefreak)
I agree, kill the thread.
Does anyone remember the mustang 03 thread where a service rep bragged about hotrodding it and how that spread to just about every car board on the web?
I suggest deleting this thread also
Does anyone remember the mustang 03 thread where a service rep bragged about hotrodding it and how that spread to just about every car board on the web?
I suggest deleting this thread also
Melting Slicks
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Re: Z06 Engine Blown. . .Under Warranty !!! (Shinobi'sZ)
Malu,
Once again I would ignore the insults..they just got little dicks. Anyway couple of things to help you out. One if you find a dealership that will apply common sense with your mods..such as not voiding your whole warranty becuase you have an Air Bridge or Cags eliminator. Don't give them up on this forum..as you can see there are some really big fingers on this board..but there are also some really good people and this forum provides a great service. You are new and made a couple of errors but it is no big deal. Just remember most would not talk to you like this to your face..lots of Window Warriors.
Anyway if you find a Service writer that is willing to help you...in the future let him/her and keep it between you. I had one it is great..and get this for any additional damages that I may have caused, that were to obvious, I just payed for extra hours at the warranty cost for hours, which is much different than paying regular cost per hour. An example..a busted 1/2 shaft...me to the service writer.."Well hey since you have to pull the rear end,,can you swap in some gears for me?" Service Writer, "yeah we will just charge you the time it takes to throw in the gears while the rearend is out of the car...net cost to me $75.00. So yes it does depend on the Service Dept. and applying some common sense. I wouldn't roll into the dealership with a 150 shot setup or blower on my car and tell them my pistons were cracked...take it off first.
Once again good luck in fixing your car and ignore the fingers.
The use of the replacement word "fingers" is another word for what some would call a cat and/or a vaginal opening.
[Modified by Shinobi'sZ, 7:37 AM 3/12/2003]
Once again I would ignore the insults..they just got little dicks. Anyway couple of things to help you out. One if you find a dealership that will apply common sense with your mods..such as not voiding your whole warranty becuase you have an Air Bridge or Cags eliminator. Don't give them up on this forum..as you can see there are some really big fingers on this board..but there are also some really good people and this forum provides a great service. You are new and made a couple of errors but it is no big deal. Just remember most would not talk to you like this to your face..lots of Window Warriors.
Anyway if you find a Service writer that is willing to help you...in the future let him/her and keep it between you. I had one it is great..and get this for any additional damages that I may have caused, that were to obvious, I just payed for extra hours at the warranty cost for hours, which is much different than paying regular cost per hour. An example..a busted 1/2 shaft...me to the service writer.."Well hey since you have to pull the rear end,,can you swap in some gears for me?" Service Writer, "yeah we will just charge you the time it takes to throw in the gears while the rearend is out of the car...net cost to me $75.00. So yes it does depend on the Service Dept. and applying some common sense. I wouldn't roll into the dealership with a 150 shot setup or blower on my car and tell them my pistons were cracked...take it off first.
Once again good luck in fixing your car and ignore the fingers.
The use of the replacement word "fingers" is another word for what some would call a cat and/or a vaginal opening.
[Modified by Shinobi'sZ, 7:37 AM 3/12/2003]
Not sure why you describe anyone as "fingers" or why anyone has a little dick. My advice along with everyone else's sounded like we wanted him to keep quite so he can get his repairs under warranty.. Like you said, keep it between himself and whoever is doing the work.
I don't work for GM or even own any of their stock so as far as I'm concerned GOOD LUCK :cheers: