Lost Low End Torque... what's next?
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Drifting
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Lost Low End Torque... what's next?
I recently installed TPIS headers and without question I lost low end torque. I can't hardly lay rubber anymore in my 3.15 auto!!! However, when the rpm hits above 3K, it screams!
Steve Cole believes TPIS is to blame and all the programing in the world won't fix that - primaries being too big for stock??? Anyway, what do you guys think - get a stall/gear or a cam to fully utilize my new powerband...
Thanks!
Steve Cole believes TPIS is to blame and all the programing in the world won't fix that - primaries being too big for stock??? Anyway, what do you guys think - get a stall/gear or a cam to fully utilize my new powerband...
Thanks!
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
sbkim - do you have a crossover pipe? A crossover pipe will increase low end torque without sacrfice of mid to upper rpm power. :cheers:
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
This may not be related to your Question but are those ccw wheels on your car if so what size are the rear and if you dont mind me asking how much were they. I want 17x11 for the rear of mine. Thanks, John :crazy:
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (binksZ06)
All the posts I 've been reading led me to belive that there is no significant gains to be had with x over pipe. Is it different with aftermarket headers?
It's 18x11. Unfortunately, I can't recall the price - I had them for about 2 yrs now. I belive around $3500 total with tires...
It's 18x11. Unfortunately, I can't recall the price - I had them for about 2 yrs now. I belive around $3500 total with tires...
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
Dude, 3.42 is your answer & I just happen to have a very nice one for sale. ;)
Or you can buy my ATI, I'm selling it...CHEAP !!!! :thumbs:
Looking to go TT :D
Or you can buy my ATI, I'm selling it...CHEAP !!!! :thumbs:
Looking to go TT :D
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
I recently installed TPIS headers and without question I lost low end torque. I can't hardly lay rubber anymore in my 3.15 auto!!! However, when the rpm hits above 3K, it screams!
Steve Cole believes TPIS is to blame and all the programing in the world won't fix that - primaries being too big for stock??? Anyway, what do you guys think - get a stall/gear or a cam to fully utilize my new powerband...
Thanks!
Steve Cole believes TPIS is to blame and all the programing in the world won't fix that - primaries being too big for stock??? Anyway, what do you guys think - get a stall/gear or a cam to fully utilize my new powerband...
Thanks!
also, steve cole could (theoretically) have a biased opinion because he sells products that compete with both ls1edit and tpis.
i think you need to go ahead and do stall, gears, and cam (and heads!) anyway. 2800rpm stall, 4.10 gears, and A&A heads and cam. you could be out the door for $8000 (including ls1edit dyno tune). ;)
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (tattooed)
yeah, ok. At the same time, why don't I slap on TT or supercharger. I got all sorts of money just laying around to spend on this outdated POS car! :)
Now, I am seriously thinking about going back to stock...
Boblk - how much for the 3.42? Are you sure it still works after all that power you been pushing through them ;)
Now, I am seriously thinking about going back to stock...
Boblk - how much for the 3.42? Are you sure it still works after all that power you been pushing through them ;)
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
yeah, ok. At the same time, why don't I slap on TT or supercharger. I got all sorts of money just laying around to spend on this outdated POS car! :)
Now, I am seriously thinking about going back to stock...
Boblk - how much for the 3.42? Are you sure it still works after all that power you been pushing through them ;)
Now, I am seriously thinking about going back to stock...
Boblk - how much for the 3.42? Are you sure it still works after all that power you been pushing through them ;)
i would also consider a gear change. either go with Boblk's 3.42s (i know he offers good deals!), or go with 3.90s or 4.10s.
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (Buckmaster)
ding ding ding...............Cole is a moron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have never seen anyone screw up more cars than him! Dump his program and have a tuner who knows what's going on tune your car. You could pay me, to have Cole touch my car!
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
Q: Lost Low End Torque... what's next?
A: Install much more Horsepower and torque to make up for what you lost. :smash:
vetterdstr :cheers:
A: Install much more Horsepower and torque to make up for what you lost. :smash:
vetterdstr :cheers:
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (JoeyG)
Joey - I was actually waiting for you to call me - I thought you were out of town. It seems like I have several options:
1. Try out TTS - $600 more, after dumping TPIS
2. Get H/C pkg - $5000
3. Get stall/gears - $2000
4. Go back to stock - $400 (btw, since I cut 2" from stock H pipe, do I need to buy a aftermarket x pipe???
5 Get a different car - $20,000 - $40,000 (GTS, NSX, M3, or even Z06) :nopity
1. Try out TTS - $600 more, after dumping TPIS
2. Get H/C pkg - $5000
3. Get stall/gears - $2000
4. Go back to stock - $400 (btw, since I cut 2" from stock H pipe, do I need to buy a aftermarket x pipe???
5 Get a different car - $20,000 - $40,000 (GTS, NSX, M3, or even Z06) :nopity
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Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (sbkim)
Joey - I was actually waiting for you to call me - I thought you were out of town. It seems like I have several options:
1. Try out TTS - $600 more, after dumping TPIS
2. Get H/C pkg - $5000
3. Get stall/gears - $2000
4. Go back to stock - $400 (btw, since I cut 2" from stock H pipe, do I need to buy a aftermarket x pipe???
5 Get a different car - $20,000 - $40,000 (GTS, NSX, M3, or even Z06) :nopity
1. Try out TTS - $600 more, after dumping TPIS
2. Get H/C pkg - $5000
3. Get stall/gears - $2000
4. Go back to stock - $400 (btw, since I cut 2" from stock H pipe, do I need to buy a aftermarket x pipe???
5 Get a different car - $20,000 - $40,000 (GTS, NSX, M3, or even Z06) :nopity
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From: Clouds Over California
Re: Lost Low End Torque... what's next? (wallstAL)
I ran TPIS LT's on my 97 Coupe and had great results from them. You should be making more torque because of less back pressure which holds back reciprocating mass....don't even waste your time with an X Pipe..I ran one and given a choice would just put straight pipes in any day...unless the X Pipe somehow is less than having the straight pipe conversion..and I am talking in place of cats..not in the rear..people who believe you get more hp with a rear X Pipe are on the Crack Pipe. Sounds like you have a tuning issue.
Another thing to note is that the advantages of LT headers increase as you open the motor up to breathing better....Heads & Cam, FI, Stroker etc.....You will have more gains with LT headers on a modded motor than a stock motor...no brainer there.
[Modified by Shinobi'sZ, 8:38 AM 4/2/2003]
Another thing to note is that the advantages of LT headers increase as you open the motor up to breathing better....Heads & Cam, FI, Stroker etc.....You will have more gains with LT headers on a modded motor than a stock motor...no brainer there.
[Modified by Shinobi'sZ, 8:38 AM 4/2/2003]
