I have a hurst and the stiff springs... I love it.. although my right arm is bigger than my left now.. hehe

 

Mine, GM's, Chevrolet's, GM & Chevy's engineering departments, billions & billions of dollars in R&D, to name a few other humble opinions.

But hey, what do they know. :cheers: :seeya

 

EHS, that same argument could be used on the whole car, rendering all mods usless. Let's use the stock lighting as an example. I couldn't have done my fog light mod without your help, so I know how you feel about the stock lights, and I'm sure some R&D $$$ went into them. It's all about what feels right to the person behind the wheel. I love my Ripper, and wouldn't go back to stock. You love the stock shifter, and don't want to change. It's all good. :grouphug:

Greg

Ripper ---> :steering:

 

My only comparison was done from behind the wheel. I have driven cars back to back with a stock shifter vs a short throw shifter. Having a choice of both, I will take the stock shifter. Again, like EHS said the aftermarket shifters to me are stiff, have no feel, and no feedback. If my throw has to be a bit longer, so be it.

Again, if you like an aftermarket shifter thats cool too. I found them to be too notchy with no good feedback. But, thats just me...

 

Which shifter(s) did you try Jrod?

When we first got the kirban I HATED it, it was horrible. Its loosened up a ton after putting a few miles/shifts on it. Now I love it and couldnt go back to stock.

So maybe you tried a brand new one perhaps. Your welcome to try it Saturday if you make it out to Sammy's place..

 

I think one of the reasons there's such a difference of opinions is that there's a goodly amount of variability in the stock shifters. Mine feels just about perfect, about what the B&M Ripper feels like in my '94 Z-28. "Snicky" was the term used on a recent "Dream Car Garage" episode.

OTOH, a friend's '97 is sloppy, sloppy, sloppy!!!! He's got a Hurst, but we haven't put it in yet. Hopefully it'll tighten his up to where it feels like my stocker.

We'll probably go with the lightest springs that come with the Hurst kit.

Have a good one,
Mike

 

It's easy to say that but I don't feel that is a valid argument. GM spends billions to develop well designed parts as low of cost to develop as possible. We all wish GM put every dollar towards building the best parts but don't confuse GM with Mclaren. Hell, just look at the stock shifter compared to the Hurst or similar. No comparison IMHO.

 

I agree - cause we dont want to bring up the column lock or the PVC issues (oil consumption, etc.) OR the cheap seats.. :lol:

 

bparker:

Those, like the gentleman referencing the lights above, are excellent examples, and I'm glad you pointed them out, because they make for a good analogy.

The C5 is an incredible piece of machinery, but it's not perfect, nor should anyone expect it to be. But, it is as good as someone can make it for the price you are paying -- as a matter of fact, many will tell you it's a downright bargain.

To my knowledge, none of the Corvetteforum shade tree engineers, vendors, or aftermarket suppliers have been able to do better than the GM engineers when it comes to solving the problems with such things as:

- the fuel sending units. It's not a great design, but who has produced anything better?

- the "PVC" oil consumption (actually a ring problem). Finally addressed by the GM engineers with new rings, not the aftermarket folks.

- the "cheap" seats. Who is producing anything better in the aftermarket, short of a full blown racing shell?

- the bad lights. Who of the aftermarket crowd produces something that is 100% DOT legal and is capable of passing inspections in all fifty states?

- the column lock bypass. Sure it works, but it's never solved the original problem -- just bypassed it permanently -- so does a hacksaw.

Which brings us to the shifter. Yes, people have produced something different, but it's just not better. That's the point.

Different is not always better. Nor is it necessarily an "improvement."