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Old Jul 3, 2003 | 09:09 PM
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I guess the topic says it all, lets say you can run 31degrees and not have any knock could you end up with less HP than with say 28 degrees of timing?
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Old Jul 3, 2003 | 10:57 PM
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lets say you can run 31degrees and not have any knock could you end up with less HP than with say 28 degrees of timing?
Don't know how you measure knock, but LS1-edit on my car revealed that the Anti-knock sensors were shutting the engine down early, so some retarding of the ignition timing resulted in higher HP and a better torque curve.
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Old Jul 3, 2003 | 11:40 PM
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Default Re: Can too much timing reduce HP? (Phil97SVT)

I guess the topic says it all, lets say you can run 31degrees and not have any knock could you end up with less HP than with say 28 degrees of timing?
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Theoretically ,I think you can -that's why we really need to tune on a dyno to be sure. But in actuality, practically speaking, we can advance timing until KR occurs and then back off a couple degrees. maybe some of the Gurus will chime in. :cool: :yesnod:
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Old Jul 4, 2003 | 02:45 PM
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In setting the advance for maximum power on the dyno, you increase the timing until the power falls off. As you pass the point of maximum power there is no audible knock while the power starts to drop off. This is only speculation but I believe knock is occurring as soon as the power starts to drop off, only you can’t hear it yet.
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Default Re: Can too much timing reduce HP? (Phil97SVT)

Yes. On pump gas I usually advance timing until it begins to knock. Depending on CR usually the most I run on stock cars is 28-29 degrees.

When I tune cars on race gas they usually don't knock so I advance timing until power goes down. I have run as much as 32-33 degrees of timing before!

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This was actually recently addressed in a Hot-Rod mag article in which they stated that the optimum timing wasn't the most they could advance without knock. The engine was a sb chevy/carb. They pulled back 2 degrees more than where there was no knock.
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