What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter?
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What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter?
I have my Hurst ready to install and began thinking, what makes this shifter a shorter throw than my stock shifter? They both are basically rods using a pivot point. Other than the Hurst having a shorter rod what else does it have? Wouldn't just installing the shift **** lower create the same effect as the lower Hurst rod? I really don't get what makes the Hurst better than the stock shifter as they are both very simple in design and only have one moving part, the rod.
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (Shylor)
Higher pivot and shorter stick make for shorter throws. Billet construction vs stamped sheet steel make for solid, accurate shifts and higher quality.
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (fdxpilot)
The pivot point isn't really higher when comparing the two. But I do notice the longer bottom arm.
And what of all this noise others have commented about? When I changed the shifter **** to a solid one I noticed more feedback. So sure you will get transmision sounds through the ****. But I like that. So after I install the Hurst I take it I will experience even more sounds through the solid billet contruction. I'm going to do what others have suggested to dampen it. Hope that works.
[Modified by Shylor, 3:15 PM 9/26/2003]
And what of all this noise others have commented about? When I changed the shifter **** to a solid one I noticed more feedback. So sure you will get transmision sounds through the ****. But I like that. So after I install the Hurst I take it I will experience even more sounds through the solid billet contruction. I'm going to do what others have suggested to dampen it. Hope that works.
[Modified by Shylor, 3:15 PM 9/26/2003]
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (Shylor)
I installed a Hurst a shifter and have not had any noise from it. At the same time I changed the shifter I changed the trans fluid to Royal Purple ATF. The combination of the two really smoothed out the shifting.
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (Shylor)
The pivot point isn't really higher when comparing the two. But I do notice the longer bottom arm.
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (jschindler)
The pivot point isn't really higher when comparing the two. But I do notice the longer bottom arm.
The pivot point is higher. You don't see it in the Hurst because of the taller casing around the pivot assembly.
The pivot point is higher. You don't see it in the Hurst because of the taller casing around the pivot assembly.
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (fdxpilot)
hey,
i believied the myth that the performance is better and the throw on these after market shifters was significantly less than stocle k too. I installed the one by performance products. same make up and identical looking to the hurst and this is what I found.....It was slightly shorter, 1 inch max, but even the lightest springs (they give you 3 diff) made the slightly shorter throw require so much arm strengh that it made shifting remind me of the curl bar at the gym. i even tried removing springs altogether and effort was acceptable but then the shifter bar lifts up. Remember, the stock is a fully enclosed ball and socket joint, but these hurst etc shifters require a set of springs to hold the ball end of the lower shifter in place. I think its a bad design. adds unecessary restriction/resistence. I got fed up and bought the tap and die, used the published instructions and shortened the stock shift, approx 3 inches and now have the best of both worlds. buttery smoth shift with super short throw and no springs to deal with. :rant:
i believied the myth that the performance is better and the throw on these after market shifters was significantly less than stocle k too. I installed the one by performance products. same make up and identical looking to the hurst and this is what I found.....It was slightly shorter, 1 inch max, but even the lightest springs (they give you 3 diff) made the slightly shorter throw require so much arm strengh that it made shifting remind me of the curl bar at the gym. i even tried removing springs altogether and effort was acceptable but then the shifter bar lifts up. Remember, the stock is a fully enclosed ball and socket joint, but these hurst etc shifters require a set of springs to hold the ball end of the lower shifter in place. I think its a bad design. adds unecessary restriction/resistence. I got fed up and bought the tap and die, used the published instructions and shortened the stock shift, approx 3 inches and now have the best of both worlds. buttery smoth shift with super short throw and no springs to deal with. :rant:
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (Admiral Fairway)
I installed a Hurst a shifter and have not had any noise from it. At the same time I changed the shifter I changed the trans fluid to Royal Purple ATF. The combination of the two really smoothed out the shifting.
We are talking about 6 speeds correct? So how could a Hurst shifter help an automatic?
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (Shylor)
It doesn't have to be an automatic to put ATF in the tranny. In fact, I don't know for certain if GM does it, but many maufacturers actually recommend ATF for manuals.
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (Shylor)
We are talking about 6 speeds correct? So how could a Hurst shifter help an automatic?
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Re: What Makes Hurst A Short Throw Shifter? (fdxpilot)
I just purchased a short throw shifter for the sole reason of having the stick return to the center position from the 5th & 6th position when you pop it out of gear. The stock units spring is TOO WEAK to make the stick return to the center position. Man,,, I hate that.
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