Meziere EWP
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From: San Jose/Bear Valley CA
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Re: Meziere EWP (2ndVette)
I understand what you are saying and with the water acting as an additional force the power required to run it is increased.
My point in this thread is... There are many other "better things" to do with our cars to get good HP out of a C5. Other than adding a $500 water pump for a few hp... (epecially when there is nothing wrong with the one in a car)... and then complain about how it dynoed at the same number or a few Hp more.
VR :cheers:
My point in this thread is... There are many other "better things" to do with our cars to get good HP out of a C5. Other than adding a $500 water pump for a few hp... (epecially when there is nothing wrong with the one in a car)... and then complain about how it dynoed at the same number or a few Hp more.
VR :cheers:
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From: Baton Rouge LA
Re: Meziere EWP (Terry Burger)
The more gear and HP you already have, the more the pump will help.
The Force to turn the pump at a given RPM is a constant. Apply that constant to a motor making 1000ftlbs torque. Now apply that same constant to a motor make 20ftlbs torque. There will be significantly more percentage of loss on the lower torque motor. Where the higher torque motor may loose less then 1% the lower one in this case could lose 50% or more. Now I know this is an extreme example but the physics apply to any motor.
Thunder Racing did all of the R&D dyno testing for Meziere and we saw an average gain of 6-8rwhp on every car we tested, which we put the pump on 6 different cars. We never saw under 5 or over 10 on any car we tested, auto or standard. Most of the cars also had underdrive crank pulleys. Like someone stated earlier you are really buying the pump for cooling efficiency but a small gain in HP doesn't hurt either. :D
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From: herminston oregon
Re: Meziere EWP (kumar75150)
after engine stops hot, don't the temp continue to rise? if you had a electric pump and some way to cycle it after shut down, could be an advantage. i know electric fans used to turn on a couple times after shut down. i could see and engine stoping hot at 190 deg then spiking to maybe 300 deg before it starts to cool down.
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From: Plano Texas
Re: Meziere EWP (kumar75150)
Is there a trick to getting hp out of this damn thing?
I got exactly 0 hp out of it when I did it a few months ago. Today I saw a TA on the dyno make back to back pulls before/after the pump. It didnt gain 1 hp.
Actually, it dynoed 3hp higher w/o the pump although that is probably just the variance in the pulls.
I got exactly 0 hp out of it when I did it a few months ago. Today I saw a TA on the dyno make back to back pulls before/after the pump. It didnt gain 1 hp.
Actually, it dynoed 3hp higher w/o the pump although that is probably just the variance in the pulls.
BTW my car was a Camaro SS not a T/A! :p:
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From: Baton Rouge LA
Re: Meziere EWP (Cobraeater)
Paul, did you test all the cars with that prototype of the Meziere?
Since it looks like the regular production Meziere don't make hp.
Since it looks like the regular production Meziere don't make hp.
Paul
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From: Dubai
Re: Meziere EWP (marco383)
Where did the "rebuild every two years" come from? Unless you drive 50k miles/year plus, that doesn't sound reasonable.
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Re: Meziere EWP (Cobraeater)
I was the one who dynoed my car at MMT yesterday with back-to-back before/after pulls with the Meziere and saw a zero hp gain.
BTW my car was a Camaro SS not a T/A! :p:
BTW my car was a Camaro SS not a T/A! :p:
