NCCC Mods
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Burning Brakes
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NCCC Mods
Does anyone know if you add an LS6 intake manifold to a 98 LS1 motor, will this put the car in a group 3 classification at the NCCC sponsored race events.
If this modification classifies the car as a group 3, is a roll bar required in the car.
I want to install an intake, heads and cam but do not want to install a rollbar in the car.
I don't know why an ls6 intake would make a difference if you still have less hp then the z06.
Please help before I go ahead with my mods.
If this modification classifies the car as a group 3, is a roll bar required in the car.
I want to install an intake, heads and cam but do not want to install a rollbar in the car.
I don't know why an ls6 intake would make a difference if you still have less hp then the z06.
Please help before I go ahead with my mods.
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Originally Posted by jjk2509
Does anyone know if you add an LS6 intake manifold to a 98 LS1 motor, will this put the car in a group 3 classification at the NCCC sponsored race events.
If this modification classifies the car as a group 3, is a roll bar required in the car.
I want to install an intake, heads and cam but do not want to install a rollbar in the car.
I don't know why an ls6 intake would make a difference if you still have less hp then the z06.
Please help before I go ahead with my mods.
If this modification classifies the car as a group 3, is a roll bar required in the car.
I want to install an intake, heads and cam but do not want to install a rollbar in the car.
I don't know why an ls6 intake would make a difference if you still have less hp then the z06.
Please help before I go ahead with my mods.
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Unfortunately that modification will place you in a Group III classification. The NCCC rule book states that Group I is completely stock for the fuel delivery system - includes manifold. Group II you can update or backdate parts within class. The LS6 manifold is from a ZO6 which is a Class J your LS1 is a class H so the swap would not be allowed even in Group II, that leaves only III. 
Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.
Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.
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Originally Posted by CHJ In Virginia
Unfortunately that modification will place you in a Group III classification. The NCCC rule book states that Group I is completely stock for the fuel delivery system - includes manifold. Group II you can update or backdate parts within class. The LS6 manifold is from a ZO6 which is a Class J your LS1 is a class H so the swap would not be allowed even in Group II, that leaves only III. Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.
Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.
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Originally Posted by CHJ In Virginia
Unfortunately that modification will place you in a Group III classification. The NCCC rule book states that Group I is completely stock for the fuel delivery system - includes manifold. Group II you can update or backdate parts within class. The LS6 manifold is from a ZO6 which is a Class J your LS1 is a class H so the swap would not be allowed even in Group II, that leaves only III. Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.
Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.Just a couple of clarifications, in Group 3, you need a 4 point roll bar as minimum, not a full cage. You also only need to wear a fire suit for high speed events. A fire suit is not required for low speed events which most autocrosses are classified as.
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Stock C5's are group I H cars. Stock Z06's are group I J cars. Modified C5's and modified Z06's can run group II H.
I dont believe any car has to have a roll bar or cage for low speed events except maybe a race prepaired car.
I dont believe any car has to have a roll bar or cage for low speed events except maybe a race prepaired car.
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Originally Posted by CHJ In Virginia
Unfortunately that modification will place you in a Group III classification. The NCCC rule book states that Group I is completely stock for the fuel delivery system - includes manifold. Group II you can update or backdate parts within class. The LS6 manifold is from a ZO6 which is a Class J your LS1 is a class H so the swap would not be allowed even in Group II, that leaves only III. Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.
Group III requires substantial safety equipment IE: roll cage, fire extinguisher system, driver fire suit, etc.This seems like a quirk in the system. A bone-stock 2000 LS1 (345HP) next to a bone-stock 2002 LS1 (350HP) already has the difference between and LS1 intake manifold and an LS6 manifold. If the 2000 puts on the same manifold as the 2002 - he gets bumped all the way into Group III which requires all the safety equipment while the 2002 runs stock? That doesn't seem equitable. The only difference is who put the manifold on the car - the owner or GM. The LS6 intake manifold is not just from a Z06 - it was put on LS1s by GM in late 01 on.
If this is correct, it knocks me completely out of even considering NCCC autocross as I'm not interested in putting a roll cage in my car. Technically, my car would be bumped up a class by the SCCA not due to the manifold - but due to the rear sway bar replacement.
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Originally Posted by NV MY C5
Stock C5's are group I H cars. Stock Z06's are group I J cars. Modified C5's and modified Z06's can run group II H.
I dont believe any car has to have a roll bar or cage for low speed events except maybe a race prepaired car.
I dont believe any car has to have a roll bar or cage for low speed events except maybe a race prepaired car.
If the above threads are accurate, you would not be in group III.
I sent an e-mail to Tim (NCCC Regional) from above and will post his response.
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If this does bump you to class III a cage is NOT required it is reccommended according to the 04-07 rules. I have been researching this to see where the III/RP line is. If you jump to RP you are required to have a cage. Wolfe Racing makes a nice cage that is allowed and it is bolt in, the price is under a grand also.
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Originally Posted by jjk2509
If the above threads are accurate, you would not be in group III.
I sent an e-mail to Tim (NCCC Regional) from above and will post his response.
I sent an e-mail to Tim (NCCC Regional) from above and will post his response.
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Originally Posted by NV MY C5
No, you would both be in group II H. An air intake, which is most commenly done as a first mod also puts you into group II H.
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Originally Posted by jjk2509
Can you do anything to your heads and or cam and stay in group II?
Hope this helps and not confuses.
