Under/Over Steer
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Under/Over Steer
How bad would the under/over steer be with the 255/40/17s up front with 345/30/18s in the rear? Also a 255/40/17 should fit on 17x8.5 rim right? TIA.
Keith
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1. HUGE understeer
2. Yes, 255s will fit on stock front wheels.
The C5s understeer with a 245/275 f/r split. Adding 70mm to the rears without going to at least a 275 up front (which will also work nicely on 8.5 rims) will make the situation much worse.
I'm changing over to a 275/315 split for autocross, but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I'm expecting a small amount of understeer, but hopefully will cure my oversteering problem (currently running 275s all around).
HTH, and have a good one,
Mike
2. Yes, 255s will fit on stock front wheels.
The C5s understeer with a 245/275 f/r split. Adding 70mm to the rears without going to at least a 275 up front (which will also work nicely on 8.5 rims) will make the situation much worse.
I'm changing over to a 275/315 split for autocross, but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I'm expecting a small amount of understeer, but hopefully will cure my oversteering problem (currently running 275s all around).
HTH, and have a good one,
Mike
Last edited by VetteDrmr; Sep 23, 2004 at 03:22 PM. Reason: didn't see the "over" part of the question
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Originally Posted by kromberg
How bad would the under/over steer be with the 255/40/17s up front with 345/30/18s in the rear? Also a 255/40/17 should fit on 17x8.5 rim right? TIA.
Keith
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Last edited by vette.se; Sep 23, 2004 at 03:31 PM.
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From: Edmond, OK...One of the first rules of online forums: If you don't like what is said but can't refute it, attack the poster.
I always get understeer and oversteer mixed up. Can someone tell me what each is?
Thanks,
Jeff
Thanks,
Jeff
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Originally Posted by JeffC5
I always get understeer and oversteer mixed up. Can someone tell me what each is?
Thanks,
Jeff
Thanks,
Jeff
Oversteer= rear end "comes around" at the limit.
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From: Hot Springs AR
Originally Posted by kromberg
I guess another thing is that I do not road race or autocross the car. The main convern with this combo would be 'normal' city street and highway driving.
Keith
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Now, with 345s out back, you probably won't have much problem with power oversteer, except in a tight corner (like an intersection).
Curious, why are you running such huge tires on the rears?
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
Curious, why are you running such huge tires on the rears?
Keith
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Originally Posted by VetteDrmr
I'm changing over to a 275/315 split for autocross, but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I'm expecting a small amount of understeer, but hopefully will cure my oversteering problem (currently running 275s all around).
(big smiles!)Perhaps you need to adjust your rear toe (1/8" in works well), rear camber (more is better up to around 1.5 or 1.6*), too much rake (try lowering the back of the car a bit), too much rear rebound in the shocks (try softening the rear rebound), or, perish the thought
, an overly ambitious right foot? Is it corner entry oversteer, corner exit, mid-corner, or transitions/slaloms?Keith - just puttering around on the street, I'm sure understeer won't be a problem - it's tough (not to mention irresponsbile) to push a C5 hard enough on the street that you approach its limits.
Advice worth the electrons used to make it,
-Jake
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I think your traction problems far outweigh any oversteer/understeer concerns you will have. You're gonna be makign huge power and need the big rear tires. I would look into running 275's on the front if you can.
Additionally, you can adjust the balance of the car with suspension changes. Go to a stiffer rear bar, for example.
Additionally, you can adjust the balance of the car with suspension changes. Go to a stiffer rear bar, for example.
I love that little gold nugget of wisdom.
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From: Hot Springs AR
Originally Posted by kromberg
Just about to fire the new combo up: 402 Stroker with a F-1R Procharger. I also have 3.90:1 gears and 3800 stall converter. I am hoping the 345 DR will give some type of traction
Keith
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Have a good one,
Mike
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From: Hot Springs AR
Originally Posted by JakeL
Perhaps you need to adjust your rear toe (1/8" in works well), rear camber (more is better up to around 1.5 or 1.6*), too much rake (try lowering the back of the car a bit), too much rear rebound in the shocks (try softening the rear rebound), or, perish the thought , an overly ambitious right foot? Is it corner entry oversteer, corner exit, mid-corner, or transitions/slaloms?
-Jake
, an overly ambitious right foot? Is it corner entry oversteer, corner exit, mid-corner, or transitions/slaloms?-Jake
I might have a bit too much rake, and it wouldn't hurt to get an alignment. Shocks are stock Z51, about a year old.
Any other ideas?
Sorry for the thread hijack, but hopefully it'll help others.
Have a good one,
Mike
