C5 Tech Corvette Tech/Performance: LS1 Corvette Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Tech Topics, Basic Tech, Maintenance, How to Remove & Replace
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Torque curve and Torque converter

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 08:48 PM
  #1  
Irish Whiskey's Avatar
Irish Whiskey
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 0
Default Torque curve and Torque converter

If the curve for the engine's torque is relatively flat, say maxed at about 2500 rpms, what difference would there be between a tqc 2800 and tqc 3600 - are you not in the same power curve with either one?
Reply
Old Dec 9, 2004 | 10:34 PM
  #2  
G-lock's Avatar
G-lock
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Liked
Top Answer: 1
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 966
Likes: 43
From: Lansing MI
Default

Effectively none, as long as your into the powerband before full stall your good to go. It then becomes a traction issue . Jeff
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 12:26 AM
  #3  
Irish Whiskey's Avatar
Irish Whiskey
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 0
Default

That what it seems to be - but will higher tqc stall affect the launch time?
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 03:30 AM
  #4  
Mitch C's Avatar
Mitch C
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,743
Likes: 3
From: Davie Florida
Default

Originally Posted by Irish Whiskey
If the curve for the engine's torque is relatively flat, say maxed at about 2500 rpms, what difference would there be between a tqc 2800 and tqc 3600 - are you not in the same power curve with either one?
In most cases the 3600 will be better than the 2800 assuming both converters are of similar design (STR etc.). Because even if the torque maxes out at 2500 RPM and is the same at 2800 & 3600 RPM your engine will be making more overall HP power at 3600 RPM than it will at 2800 RPM. The extra power available should give you a stronger launch traction permitting. Plus the 3600 T/C should also give you a higher shift extension. This translates into better ETs and higher MPH in the 1/4 mile.

Last edited by Mitch C; Dec 10, 2004 at 08:03 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 08:07 AM
  #5  
RoadRebel's Avatar
RoadRebel
Melting Slicks
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 3,116
Likes: 10
From: Macomb MI
Default

Originally Posted by Mitch C
In most cases the 3600 will be better than the 2800 assuming both converters are of similar design (STR etc.)
Similar design is the key, unfortunately most are not and its hit or miss as to the results. Stahl speed, flash rate and torque multiplication
built into the converter really impact how it performs.All I can say is ya get what ya pay for, for most people in the less that 500hp range they are only looking at the stall rpm and the rate that it flashes. Higher HP than that and its a different ball game and having a converter layout that matched your power, especially with a power adder is critical and will make all the difference in the world.

Phil
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 12:44 PM
  #6  
Irish Whiskey's Avatar
Irish Whiskey
Thread Starter
Melting Slicks
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 2,329
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by RoadRebel
Similar design is the key, unfortunately most are not and its hit or miss as to the results. Stahl speed, flash rate and torque multiplication
built into the converter really impact how it performs.All I can say is ya get what ya pay for, for most people in the less that 500hp range they are only looking at the stall rpm and the rate that it flashes. Higher HP than that and its a different ball game and having a converter layout that matched your power, especially with a power adder is critical and will make all the difference in the world.

Phil
Phil,
Thanks for your input - I've seen some of your recent work - the str will effect the looseness and the Yank SS3600 str is 2.3 I believe. My main concern is whether or not the 3600 will be less controllable on the street with street tires than the 2800. Thanks again for input.
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 03:04 PM
  #7  
Mitch C's Avatar
Mitch C
Melting Slicks
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 2,743
Likes: 3
From: Davie Florida
Default

Originally Posted by Irish Whiskey
Phil,
Thanks for your input - I've seen some of your recent work - the str will effect the looseness and the Yank SS3600 str is 2.3 I believe. My main concern is whether or not the 3600 will be less controllable on the street with street tires than the 2800. Thanks again for input.
High stall converters with a high STR (2.0+ and up) and street tires don't go together. I have had 3 converters in my car a PT2400 with 3.42s, ST3500 with 3.73s & a TCS4200 with 3.73 gears all of these converters had high STRs of at least 2.3 and it was difficult to control wheel spin on the street with each of them. If you want a converter that will be easier to launch on street tires get a converter with a low STR like one of the SY series Yanks.

Last edited by Mitch C; Dec 10, 2004 at 03:08 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 10, 2004 | 04:38 PM
  #8  
yankeevetteconvert's Avatar
yankeevetteconvert
Burning Brakes
20 Year Member
All Eyes On Me
Photogenic
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 908
Likes: 4
From: TROY MI
Default

Originally Posted by Irish Whiskey
Phil,
Thanks for your input - I've seen some of your recent work - the str will effect the looseness and the Yank SS3600 str is 2.3 I believe. My main concern is whether or not the 3600 will be less controllable on the street with street tires than the 2800. Thanks again for input.

The STR on the SS3600 TC is 2.5.The Yank SY 3500 has a STR of 1.6 and can be used with street tires. I have one in my garage let me know if you are interested.
Reply

Get notified of new replies

To Torque curve and Torque converter

Corvette Stories

The Best of Corvette for Corvette Enthusiasts

story-0

10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

 Joe Kucinski
story-1

Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

 Brett Foote
story-2

10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

 Michael S. Palmer
story-3

8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

 Joe Kucinski
story-5

How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

 Joe Kucinski
story-6

Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

 Michael S. Palmer
story-7

Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

 Joe Kucinski
story-8

150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

 Joe Kucinski
story-9

8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

 Verdad Gallardo




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:18 PM.

story-0
10 Ugly Corvettes That We Still Kinda Love

Slideshow: 10 ugly Corvettes that we still kinda love.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-06-03 10:34:17


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Most Expensive Corvettes Ever Sold on Bring A Trailer

A lot of money has changed hands at the online auction house over the years.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-03 10:21:50


VIEW MORE
story-2
10 Things Every Corvette Owner Needs (2026 Edition)

Slideshow: 10 great gifts Corvette enthusiasts actually want for Father's Day!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-06-03 15:43:40


VIEW MORE
story-3
8 Most "Only Corvette Owners Understand" Quirks and Problems

Slideshow: These are the quirks, annoyances, and oddly lovable problems that every Corvette owner eventually learns to live with.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 09:31:39


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Reasons the C6 Z06 is Still A Performance Benchmark After 20 Years

Slideshow: 10 reasons why the C6 Z06 is still a performance benchmark after 20 years.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 17:20:09


VIEW MORE
story-5
How Much Horsepower Every Corvette Engine "LOST" in 1972

Slideshow: How much horsepower every Corvette engine lost in 1972.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-27 16:54:53


VIEW MORE
story-6
Top 10 DOs and DON'Ts for Protecting Your Convertible Top!

Slideshow: How to Protect A Convertible Top: 10 DOs & DON'Ts

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-04-03 00:00:00


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Most Explosive Corvettes Ever Made: Power-to-Weight Ratio Ranked!

Slideshow: The 10 most explosive Corvettes ever built based on power-to-weight ratio.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-20 07:23:03


VIEW MORE
story-8
150 hp to 1,250 hp: Every Corvette Generation Compared by the Specs That Matter

Slideshow: From C1 to C8 we compare every Corvette generation by the numbers.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 16:54:12


VIEW MORE
story-9
8 Coolest Corvette Pace Cars (and Replicas) of All Time

Slideshow: Some Corvette pace cars became collectible legends, while others perfectly captured the look and attitude of their era.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-11 09:50:51


VIEW MORE