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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 11:32 PM
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There seems to be a lot of people lashing out at CR for publishing their findings. I mean really, all these "I know a guy" and "People who own Japanese makes tend to.." What a bunch of crap. How do you know there aren't also Chevy owners going, "I hate all this Murican bashing, so I'm gonna score my car higher!" I'm sure their are idiots on both ends answering dishonestly, but when the TOTAL DATA is aggrated, accurate conclusions can be drawn.

Toyota and Honda make more reliable cars, there is plenty of data to back that up outside this CR Report. There are also plenty of exceptions to that generalization.

I my own case, I had an S2000 (leased) that I beat the living hell out of. 10 track days and many thousands of shifts at 9000 rpms. I had the driver window actuator partially fail. that's it (unless you want to count all the brake pads, rotors, and tires I tore up).

My wife has an 01 bmw 330i that I'd like to set on fire; it's cost us thousands in repairs after the warrently ended.

Truth is, personal experience may or may not fall in line with the general data; your car may be better or worse than the typical Corvette, but if the current data on the C6 shows reliability problems; you can't change that.

What I do agree with is that the CR reviewers are not the group to listen to if you want to buy a sports car.

now, where's my fire suit???...
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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rauder
At least you were truthful with your response to CR. Most people that own Toyota, Lexus, BMW tend to respond favorably towards there vehicles even when problems are evident. I did it with my Tundra, Camry, and LS400 just to keep the rating high for resale value.

Visit a Lexus, Toyota, BMW, or any foreign car dealer service center any day of the week, and note the number of folks returning new/ near new vehicles for warranty issues. Chances are, there will be a LOT of folks there compare to a GM service center. Especially in So Cal.
I haven't found that to be true at all , EVERY time I take my Camry in for any kind of work , the service department is completely dead . My wife's Mercedes on the other hand is a different story . Service department at that dealership is always busy.
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Old Nov 15, 2005 | 11:41 PM
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There seems to be a lot of people lashing out at CR for publishing their findings. I mean really, all these "I know a guy" and "People who own Japanese makes tend to.." What a bunch of crap. How do you know there aren't also Chevy owners going, "I hate all this Murican bashing, so I'm gonna score my car higher!" I'm sure their are idiots on both ends answering dishonestly, but when the TOTAL DATA is aggrated, accurate conclusions can be drawn.

Toyota and Honda make more reliable cars, there is plenty of data to back that up outside this CR Report. There are also plenty of exceptions to that generalization.

In my own case, I had an S2000 (leased) that I beat the living hell out of. 10 track days and many thousands of shifts at 9000 rpms. I had the driver window actuator partially fail. that's it (unless you want to count all the brake pads, rotors, and tires I tore up).

My wife has an 01 bmw 330i that I'd like to set on fire; it's cost us thousands in repairs after the warrenty ended. Tho the dealer has fixed some things for us that weren't under warrenty. They do treat us well, but I'm not happy with that car.

Truth is, personal experience may or may not fall in line with the general data; your car may be better or worse than the typical Corvette, but if the current data on the C6 shows reliability problems; you can't change that.

What I do agree with is that the CR reviewers are not the group to listen to if you want to buy a sports car.

now, where's my fire suit???...
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:40 AM
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nothing but a bunch of unamerican commies they probably use mopeds or vespas for their means of transportation.
Don't be silly, they used a modern car, the Yugo!!!
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 12:58 AM
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If you're bying a Corvette for reliability, you're in the wrong business. Corvette are for fun and excitment. The Japanese make solid reliable cars, no doubt about it, (my dad's '91 Acura has 320K miles, not a drop of oil leaks on the garage floor), but they are boring cars also, they are disconnected from the driver. I doubt CR's reporting is biased. The C5 was ranked high, the C6 well... low. A dream would be a Corvette as reliable as a Lexus, but the parts and electronics in the Corvette will be subject to a lot more abuse than the ones in the Lexus, due to the nature of each car.
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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CR never met an American car it didn't like. CR should move to the Far East where it would be very, very happy reviewing and gloating over boring econoboxes. Their Corvette reviews aren't worth spit. I will never drive anything but American made cars........GO USA!

Whenever I think of the people who work at CR I think of the nerds in school who never got to date the pretty girl or have the nice car and are forever biased against American cars, especially beautiful ones, because they could never have one.........and still can't!
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 08:23 PM
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I understand that a number of you here do not value the information published by CR. However, in the marketplace, a major negative rating can effect the perception of the C6 and may have an economic effect on GM with regard to the Corvette and beyond the Corvette. It may also influence the market value of used C6’s. CR has rated the 05 C6 customer satisfaction as Excellent. So it wasn’t an issue of beauty in the eye of the beholder. Where it faltered is with predicted reliability. Not the inability to carry a wheel chair. The data in their report regarding reliability is based on responses to their annual subscriber surveys, in which they asked vehicle owners to report any serious problems they had with their vehicles in the previous 12-months. For redesigned models, they also compared their first-model-year problem rates with the previous model year to see whether they had more problems than the version they replaced. They compiled the data in a simple formula categorized by the various systems in the car such as motor, trans, electrical, power equipment, etc. In comparison to the previous year, the major difference was in the electrical rating with a “Very Good” in 04 and "Poor" in 05. The summary at the bottom of the reliability chart: New Car Prediction (of reliability)/Much worse than average. Again based on information obtained from 05 C6 consumers. Have any of you had electrical problems?

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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 08:31 PM
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I understand that a number of you here do not value the information published by CR. However, in the marketplace, a major negative rating can effect the perception of the C6 and may have an economic effect on GM with regard to the Corvette and beyond the Corvette. It may also influence the market value of used C6’s. CR has rated the 05 C6 customer satisfaction as Excellent. So it wasn’t an issue of beauty in the eye of the beholder. Where it faltered is with predicted reliability. Not the inability to carry a wheel chair. The data in their report regarding reliability is based on responses to their annual subscriber surveys, in which they asked vehicle owners to report any serious problems they had with their vehicles in the previous 12-months. For redesigned models, they also compared their first-model-year problem rates with the previous model year to see whether they had more problems than the version they replaced. They compiled the data in a simple formula categorized by the various systems in the car such as motor, trans, electrical, power equipment, etc. In comparison to the previous year, the major difference was in the electrical rating with a “Very Good” in 04 and "Poor" in 05. The summary at the bottom of the reliability chart: New Car Prediction/Much worse than average. Again based on information obtained from 05 C6 consumers. Have any of you had electrical problems?
Excellent post that takes all the emotional response out of the thread. Thanks for your insight.



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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by C6Monty
I have a Lexus with 30,000 plus miles and have had a grand total of zero problems with it...it's only been to the dealer for routine services. Unfortunately, I don't expect this to be the case with my Corvette, but I'm buying it anyway...for completely different reasons. The Lexus is my 'practical' vehicle. The Corvette will be my 'fun' vehicle. I have a feeling I am not alone in this conscious decision.
I'm in the same situation...10K on my current Lexus and zero problems, 107K on my former Lexus with one minor problem.

My C5 was in the shop about 10 times before 20K miles but nothing between then and 61K miles.

My C6 has 2500 mile and no problems at all.

Do I compare the Lexus and Corvette? No. I buy them for different reasons and am happy with both. If Lexus put all of that power, handling, and technololy into one of their cars, you can rest assured that it would cost a ton more than a Corvette.

I'm happy and satisfied.
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 09:23 PM
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Had a 2003 BMW 745il-was a constant pain in the a$$....
Multiple problems...too many to list-including but not limited to the windshield wipers falling off the car twice... Yes the C6 is not perfect- but if you pay 80K+ and the car likes to live at the dealer more than your garage then you have alot to bitch about.
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Originally Posted by CandyVette
Whenever I think of the people who work at CR I think of the nerds in school who never got to date the pretty girl or have the nice car and are forever biased against American cars, especially beautiful ones, because they could never have one.........and still can't!
They obviously have infintely more knowledge of cars than you have of them or the nerds at your school.

Generally, their information about cars is fairly accurate, including the Corvette. But that didn't stop me from buying one.

I don't worry much about the individuals who put the Consumer Reports information together. I just know they're pretty accurate in most categories of items they write about.
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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 10:27 PM
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CR strikes again. They have NEVER liked Corvettes.
Bashed the C5 also....Never understood it as the symbols were all positive engine, elect, transmission, etc....but then the reliability was **** poor!

Never could figure it out.

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Old Nov 16, 2005 | 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Weedo
Agree 100%! First off, I didn't buy my Corvette thinking it was going to be perfectly reliable. I also own a Chrysler 300C SRT-8. Again, when has Chrysler ever made a reliable product? Never that I can remember. Do I care? No, but no one else makes anything to compete with the SRT-8, nor does anyone make anything that competes with the Corvette (talking price points here).

I know who does make reliable cars, and I've owned them, but until a car can be "sick and wrong fast and fun" AND be reliable AND be reasonably priced, I'll continue buying fun cars that may or may not be all that reliable.
The Caddy CTS-V is comparable to the SRT-8. Except if you want an auto trans.
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Old Nov 17, 2005 | 10:34 PM
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I don't think there isn't much scientific about CR's data gathering and analysis -- no MTBF, MTTR, Ao, etc. A bunch of half assed survey response summarized by harvey *****. The people who subscibe include a disporportinate number of dweebs and those are the ones who respond. Very subjective.

Anyway, look at the cars they lumped in with the 'Vette Except for the Honda and S4, pretty boring.
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Originally Posted by EEman
The people who subscibe include a disporportinate number of dweebs and those are the ones who respond.
That’s a rather interesting description of a specified market group. Do you place those who have reported their C6 problems on this forum, in the same classification?
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That’s a rather interesting description of a specified market group. Do you place those who have reported their C6 problems on this forum, in the same classification?
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