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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 06:54 PM
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Landrover does not have this A pillar problem. Why can't Chevy figure this out??
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Scooterjohn
Z51'S have the "supercar" tires. Not as good for "daily driving".
They're on my DD but you need to get used to them. You have plenty of miles on the car so I would have assumed you would have noticed already. Cold Z51 tires and Corvette torque are not a great combination. The tires have great grip WHEN they get warmed up. Luckily I don't have to deal with cold weather very often.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JDB2006BlkC6Z51
They're on my DD but you need to get used to them. You have plenty of miles on the car so I would have assumed you would have noticed already. Cold Z51 tires and Corvette torque are not a great combination. The tires have great grip WHEN they get warmed up. Luckily I don't have to deal with cold weather very often.
Oh, believe me, I noticed this shortly after I got my 2005 C6/Z51 and now on my 2006 Z51. I put up with it until today. Never got tossed around the way I did today. That forced my hand.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:15 PM
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Got the 2007 F55 with runflats and have not had any serious traction issues. Been driving in 15-30 F degree weather last few weeks.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gearhead65
Got the 2007 F55 with runflats and have not had any serious traction issues. Been driving in 15-30 F degree weather last few weeks.
That's because you have different tires with an F55.....Check your window sticker...
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:26 PM
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I've heard a couple favorable comments but I'm not so sure the Firestone runflats are going to be significantly better that the Goodyear runflats (they may be....I'm just not sure at this point).

Cold weather, like a wet or icy road, certainly plays-havoc with traction. IMO you have to approach cold temperatures and cold tires just a carefully as you would a wet road.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:34 PM
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Don't complain about getting a little loose on the Goodyears until you check out the Ford GT forum.

The Ford GT has the same Supercar tread compound as the Z51, just without the runflat sidewalls. The GT makes more torque than a C6 Z06, has the engine behind the driver, and has no stability or traction control.

The result: a lot of guys have been spinning (and wrecking) their GT's in the cold weather. If you look at the GT owner's manual (my business partner has one), there is a huge disclaimer about driving the car in cold weather - apparently a lot of Ford execs were spinning GT test mules in early '04 before the GT went on sale to the public.

And yes, I've noticed that my Z51 tires turn into hockey pucks when it gets below 40 degrees outside. I don't mind, though - I wanted a race car that I could drive to work every day and that's what I got.

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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne O
I've heard a couple favorable comments but I'm not so sure the Firestone runflats are going to be significantly better that the Goodyear runflats (they may be....I'm just not sure at this point).

Cold weather, like a wet or icy road, certainly plays-havoc with traction. IMO you have to approach cold temperatures and cold tires just a carefully as you would a wet road.

Especially if you've got 400 hp to work with.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 07:46 PM
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I've found that the engine on my stock c6 loves to inhale this cold Ohio air. It's a very noticeable jump in performance on the lower-end versus warmer weather. If you jump on it at all, the tires break loose easily and if you're not on your toes you can be sideways in a heartbeat. I don't think it's any one thing but a combination of high hp/torque, rapid acceleration, cold pavement and perhaps the tires contribute in some way but I don't know. But let's face it, these cars are pretty hot and I know I've got to be careful where/when/how I apply the gas. I honestly don't think we can blame the tires can we? Having said that, make whatever change you think is necessary for your safety. Quick story.....and one that reinforces those who think our youngsters shouldn't drive our high performance cars. My neighbor 5 doors down let's his 17 year old daughter drive his C5. One evening, not more than 1/2 mile from the house, she puts the C5 sideways from a traffic light into oncoming traffic. The car gets T-boned and her boyfriend in the passenger seat dies on the spot . Now there is a roadside memorial that we all drive by every day as a reminder of how precious and short life is and how quickly it can be snatched away. You drive by this and often see the parents decorating or otherwise tending to the memorial. And the couple in the Ford Taurus that T-boned them were both very seriously injured. Lives lost and permanently altered and for what? Let's be careful out there.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 08:18 PM
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I live on a dirt road, and one morning as I got onto the highway I did a 360 as cars were coming from both directions. Evidently, between the cold tires and all the dirt stuck to them they decided not to go with the rest of the car. Lucky for me I staid in my lane and ended up facing the right direction and was able to get moving without further incident. The oncoming cars all slammed on brakes and I think their drivers' faces resembled the holy **** look on my own.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Sven
should have asked to speak to this person's boss ... and suggest that he limit his comments to what he knows.

SC tires are a compromise ... great for their intended purpose/conditions/use ... but otherwise not so much.

There is an EMT classed as an all weather, so what you were told is BS. If you want to send them an example, go to the tire rack web site and you will find the tire there.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....1=yes&place=15
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 09:30 PM
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Sucks doesnt it. I wonder what people will think if I start wearing my helmet when I leave the office (and I do have one for drag racing!)
Does suck, but the first time I did it I thought how much it would have hurt without the helmet. Did you get a knot on your head? I don't think it would be fun.

I've always wondered why more people don't wear helmets on the street. Head injuries are not fun.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne O
I've heard a couple favorable comments but I'm not so sure the Firestone runflats are going to be significantly better that the Goodyear runflats (they may be....I'm just not sure at this point).

Cold weather, like a wet or icy road, certainly plays-havoc with traction. IMO you have to approach cold temperatures and cold tires just a carefully as you would a wet road.
WADR, this IS THE ANSWER. And several of the other posters have been close to it as well.

Tires are now designed pretty much for seasons and if you expect to play with a car in the other seasons, you'd better have a tire that will allow the car to do so. Or, as the Goodyear guy said, drive it at your own risk.

I've had a brand new, other-tire-mfr., car with "only" 280 hp do the same thing at anything under 40 degrees. Summer only tires, too. Very sticky in that warmer weather.

As to the runflats that are summer only, don't expect it to work really well at 32 degrees. It probably won't. No surprises there.

The OP has probably "found" his answer: run flats that are All Season.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by myblackc6
Like everything in life, there are usually trade-offs.

If you want the "insurance" of having a run-flat tire, you need to understand that you are going to compromise traction and handling versus a Z rated non run-flat tire like the Michelin PS2 or BFG KDW2.
Well, I had Michelin PS2's on my C5 w/OEM Z06 wheels and I went sideways while turning right from a dead stop and slowly accelerating. The temperature was around 45 degrees and the right rear tire lost complete traction. The street was not wet nor was there any loose gravel around. It may just be a matter of tire width and cold weather in general.

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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:05 PM
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HELL, MINE BREAK LOOSE AT ANY GIVEN TEMP !!! LOVE IT .. BUT SERIOUSLY ,JUST GOT TO BE EXTRA CAREFUL . THIS CAR OR ANY CORVETTE IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER CAR ON THE ROAD AS YOU KNOW BY NOW !!! BE SAFE 1!!!!!
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Vettlldo
Well, I had Michelin PS2's on my C5 w/OEM Z06 wheels and I went sideways while turning right from a dead stop and slowly accelerating. The temperature was around 45 degrees and the right rear tire lost complete traction. The street was not wet nor was there any loose gravel around. It may just be a matter of tire width and cold weather in general.

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Guys, one of the first things taught in driving school is don't accelerate into a turn. This is especially important with a car that has 400 ft/lb of torque before gear multiplication, and summer tires being used in winter. Even my old dualie F350 with mud and snows can get sideways if I jump on it while turning from a stop. It shouldn't be any surprise at all that a Corvette will too. Simple solution, don't do that.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:20 PM
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I don't have the Z51 package, I just have the Eagle run-flats that came on my car with about 9,000 miles on them and plenty of tread....they have absolutely NO traction when it's below 20 degrees, and very little traction when it's below 40 degrees. I've had it go sideways on the interstate just pulling into the passing lane at 55 mph when it was about 20 degrees outside and the tires were still cold. You have to be VERY careful and accelerate sloooowly..or like someone else suggested, get something else to drive during the winter (which I just did). My car does not do well in snow, ice and freezing temperatures. I'm kind of stuck with the run flats since I don't have anywhere to store a second set of rims or tires or even a spare tire.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by shopdog
Guys, one of the first things taught in driving school is don't accelerate into a turn. This is especially important with a car that has 400 ft/lb of torque before gear multiplication, and summer tires being used in winter. Even my old dualie F350 with mud and snows can get sideways if I jump on it while turning from a stop. It shouldn't be any surprise at all that a Corvette will too. Simple solution, don't do that.
Re-read my post and notice the keyword "dead stop". You cannot get around a corner without accelerating.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Vettlldo
Re-read my post and notice the keyword "dead stop". You cannot get around a corner without accelerating.
Re-read mine and notice what I said about my old F350 dualie. If that huge old hulk will get sideways when I crowd it from a dead stop, it shouldn't be a surprise that the Corvette will too.
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Old Mar 6, 2007 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBlueDevil
What do y'all think about Avon tech M550's All season's. Yes i'm stingy

Front's 245/40/18 $139 each

Rear's 285/35/19 $254 each www.Tirerack.com


I was looking at those. A guy that works for me told me about the site. Curious if anybody here has used them.
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