Apsis New Remodified Slimmer C6 Mud Flaps (Z06 Style), Welcome your comment
04-11-2007, 01:46 PM
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If the material was that exotic it would have been called out already as a selling point. I can't believe material cost would be anywhere near $160/set, its probably pennies for the material. The only thing I don't agree with here is the 15% profit. For a custom manufacturer that isn't doing large quantity, profit needs to be a lot higher than that, I would expect 40% minimum.
How about this for an idea, they could start with a piece of 304 stainless steel - mill finish - stamped($3 for steel at most), and then mold the steel with an elastomer (buna would be fine) to conform the shape they want for the mudflaps. It would be basically indestructable from stone chips, and if the mold was designed properly you could have a nice smooth glossy finish. The piece would never rust and you could mount it from tabs that were part of the stainless. I know for a fact that this could be manufactured for around $25 a piece (because we have done similar size and shape for something else). There is more labor involved with a process like this, but it would make a bullet proof piece that wouldn't ever chip. Just throwing out an idea here from my background.
How about this for an idea, they could start with a piece of 304 stainless steel - mill finish - stamped($3 for steel at most), and then mold the steel with an elastomer (buna would be fine) to conform the shape they want for the mudflaps. It would be basically indestructable from stone chips, and if the mold was designed properly you could have a nice smooth glossy finish. The piece would never rust and you could mount it from tabs that were part of the stainless. I know for a fact that this could be manufactured for around $25 a piece (because we have done similar size and shape for something else). There is more labor involved with a process like this, but it would make a bullet proof piece that wouldn't ever chip. Just throwing out an idea here from my background.
I was only guessing at the cost per pound and a lot of plastics are going anywhere from $4.00 to $18.00 per. Whqt wold you guess the weight to be for this app? I was guesing high for the sake of arguement. Further, if I were to make 40%, which you don't really need to, on top of the profit built into the press rate, I would really be gouging and the price would be unnecessarily high. Sure, 40% would be great but so would the nearly 75-100% that most retail outlets apply to product sold.I DO like you idea of stamping and coating thou!!
. . . anyway, the product looks great! Just need to work the price a bit!!
04-11-2007, 01:56 PM
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Get on board early and sell the heck out of them @ a good price point and you might see some decent #'s . . . even for a custom manufacturer! I was only guessing at the cost per pound and a lot of plastics are going anywhere from $4.00 to $18.00 per. Whqt wold you guess the weight to be for this app? I was guesing high for the sake of arguement. Further, if I were to make 40%, which you don't really need to, on top of the profit built into the press rate, I would really be gouging and the price would be unnecessarily high. Sure, 40% would be great but so would the nearly 75-100% that most retail outlets apply to product sold.
I DO like you idea of stamping and coating thou!!
. . . anyway, the product looks great! Just need to work the price a bit!!
I was only guessing at the cost per pound and a lot of plastics are going anywhere from $4.00 to $18.00 per. Whqt wold you guess the weight to be for this app? I was guesing high for the sake of arguement. Further, if I were to make 40%, which you don't really need to, on top of the profit built into the press rate, I would really be gouging and the price would be unnecessarily high. Sure, 40% would be great but so would the nearly 75-100% that most retail outlets apply to product sold.I DO like you idea of stamping and coating thou!!
. . . anyway, the product looks great! Just need to work the price a bit!!
I would be surprised if the weight on 4 pieces exceeded a pound, thats why I was saying the material cost would be low. Re: profit, it depends if you are selling labor (press rate) or selling items. I normally look at a TMC and figure the profit from that, especialy on low quantity items like this. Imagine if it was farmed to China what the price would be...
They are nice looking, hopefully they adjust the price at some point.
04-13-2007, 12:57 AM
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Thank you for designing a nice looking front mud flap. Finally! I do agree though that the OEM Z06 rears are more apealing in price and the are actual GM parts. If that matters to anyone. $100 for the fronts and I would be interested. How does your finish match the OEM rears. I already have the OEM rears.
04-13-2007, 07:48 AM
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Thank you for designing a nice looking front mud flap. Finally! I do agree though that the OEM Z06 rears are more apealing in price and the are actual GM parts. If that matters to anyone. $100 for the fronts and I would be interested. How does your finish match the OEM rears. I already have the OEM rears.
The color of our mud flap does match to GM Z06's. The problem is we just cannot do at $100/pair.
04-13-2007, 08:29 AM
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What kills me is everyone will pay more than 1000 dollars for a cat back exhaust that any other car can buy for 400 bucks.
Now, here's a clear difference in quality and people are arguing over a hundred bucks.
You have to pick your battles, when they can be won.
Simply, a Ferrari is always going to cost more than a Fiat.
And we all know what Fiat stands for... "Fix it again, Tony!"
Now, here's a clear difference in quality and people are arguing over a hundred bucks.
You have to pick your battles, when they can be won.
Simply, a Ferrari is always going to cost more than a Fiat.
And we all know what Fiat stands for... "Fix it again, Tony!"
04-13-2007, 09:01 AM
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04-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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[QUOTE=Big Top Gt;1559801344]What kills me is everyone will pay more than 1000 dollars for a cat back exhaust that any other car can buy for 400 bucks.
Or for a rim, pair of tires, blower, shocks, etc. Just to be able have extra perfromance on a car that already does 185+ with 400+hp stock, and <>75% sit in traffic as a DD or inside as a GQ.
[QUOTE=Big Top Gt;1559801344]Now, here's a clear difference in quality and people are arguing over a hundred bucks.
Seems to happen alot for this vendor.
Or for a rim, pair of tires, blower, shocks, etc. Just to be able have extra perfromance on a car that already does 185+ with 400+hp stock, and <>75% sit in traffic as a DD or inside as a GQ.
[QUOTE=Big Top Gt;1559801344]Now, here's a clear difference in quality and people are arguing over a hundred bucks.
Seems to happen alot for this vendor.
04-13-2007, 12:06 PM
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And as I said earlier, they are still way too big. I don't want people to say, wow look at those mud flaps going down the road.
04-14-2007, 01:54 AM
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Close Shot Picture to Show How the Screws Installed
Some members want to see the front side of Front Mud Flap regarding how the screws will be installed. Here is the picture.
04-14-2007, 10:50 AM
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04-14-2007, 08:05 PM
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In our application, you don't have to remove the whole wheel well ling. All you have to do is to remove those 4 screws per showing in your picture and then mount our Mud Flap on reusing those 4 holes.
The plastic screws that we provide is not like the style of factory screws which have two components. Ours is just one pc with the X'mas tree shape thread so you just push it right through the existing holes.
If you still cannot understand me, then I will take a picture of our screw next week and post it.
04-14-2007, 10:02 PM
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Sorry for the confusing.
04-15-2007, 12:42 PM
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Looks much better indeed. I'd love to see any photos of them on a black C6. I'm curious how well the black blends in with the paint. I'm sure you could put some dressing on them to darken/wetten their look as well.
Bug regardless, at $400 there's just no way I'm pulling the trigger.
$200-$225 and I'd probably be placing an order.
I think you guys should consider what this thread is telling you. You listened to the previous thread and redesigned your shape and it's gotten you great results.
I'd at is this way, you can sell those flaps for $400 to 2 people, or you can sell those flaps to 20 people for half the price. In the end it's the same issue everyone creating a product has. How to maximize output versus production costs. If you have to sell a product for a price that is considerably over the price that your customer is willing to spend, you need to figure out how to cut that cost, without cutting quality in order to create a sucessfull product. Otherwise you are only going to sell a handful of your product to a few select few to whom price isn't an issue.
Either way, they look much better now and I hope you are able to continue to improve the process and perhaps lower your price at least $100. At that point I might considering pulling the trigger. Until then, I'll stick with my current flaps that cost a fraction of the price of yours, and do essentially the same job.
Bug regardless, at $400 there's just no way I'm pulling the trigger.
$200-$225 and I'd probably be placing an order.
I think you guys should consider what this thread is telling you. You listened to the previous thread and redesigned your shape and it's gotten you great results.
I'd at is this way, you can sell those flaps for $400 to 2 people, or you can sell those flaps to 20 people for half the price. In the end it's the same issue everyone creating a product has. How to maximize output versus production costs. If you have to sell a product for a price that is considerably over the price that your customer is willing to spend, you need to figure out how to cut that cost, without cutting quality in order to create a sucessfull product. Otherwise you are only going to sell a handful of your product to a few select few to whom price isn't an issue.
Either way, they look much better now and I hope you are able to continue to improve the process and perhaps lower your price at least $100. At that point I might considering pulling the trigger. Until then, I'll stick with my current flaps that cost a fraction of the price of yours, and do essentially the same job.