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Old Jul 10, 2008 | 11:06 PM
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I'm getting a wheel alignment tomorrow. I will soon be moving to a mountainous area. Could someone tell me what degree I need to have everything set to. (camber,caster, etc.) About a month ago I had the local chevy dealer change my alignment so that my front tires would last longer. Well, they did. My back alignment was fine, but I forgot to tell them to leave it set as it was. So now the car doesn't handle as well as it did before. So on Tuesday I went back to them and paid to have it changed. I wanted it back like it was. (Apparently they don't have the previous settings). I told them I would just deal with the tire wear. Well its still not enough negative camber or something because it's still not like before. So I would appreciate someone helping me out. I want it to handle the curves like before. Also it seems like around 65 mph and higher (when you steer back and forth quickly) it has way to much play in the rear in.
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Old Jul 10, 2008 | 11:17 PM
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Old Jul 10, 2008 | 11:31 PM
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Modshack, It that the way yours is set up? Thanks
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I had my car aligned within factory specs and the car handles excellent and tires are wearing just fine. It's all perfect.

This might have something to do with having the car aligned at a very reputable shop with new top-end alignment equipment. The job was done correctly and precisely.

I still do not understand why some people who encounter uneven / premature tire wear blame it on the factory alignment specs... I have had no such issues.

I'm also wondering if the severe spring memory on these cars is causing alignment inaccuracies. I do suspect this is why many C6s come from the factory with poor alignments... it simply takes a long time for the springs to settle... the ride height changes AFTER the alignment (due to spring movement) and then the car is no longer in good alignment.

I once had my car on jack stands for a few weeks (was working on it, then got busy and had to leave it) and when I finally put it back down, the suspension height was well over an inch higher than normal for almost two days... and the alignment felt noticeable horrible, twitchy, etc... it then settled back down and was fine.
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 12:15 AM
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I've also noticed when I use my pump jacks that sometimes they slide right under and sometimes I have to run the car up on blocks to get them to fit. I never really thought about why but I think you've explained it.
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Take it to an Independant alignment shop, tell them what you want for handling OR;

Have it set to Factory specs as in the first post WITHOUT ANY + or - allowances.
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Old Jul 11, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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Take it to an Independant alignment shop, tell them what you want for handling OR;

Have it set to Factory specs as in the first post WITHOUT ANY + or - allowances.
But the "factory spec" IS a range of settings. Where in the range is the "Factory spec"?
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Read it as:

Camber; -0.45° (Forget the plus or minus 0.60°)

By factory specs it would be in alignment from -1.05° to +.05°.

Thats why I said a good INDEPENDANT alignment shop, the Dealer tech gets paid on volume, he's "allowed" so much time to do an alignment and makes more $$ the faster he can crank them out.

Find out who in your area does Autocross and HPDE alignments and make an appointment.
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Originally Posted by haljensen
Read it as:

Camber; -0.45° (Forget the plus or minus 0.60°)

By factory specs it would be in alignment from -1.05° to +.05°.

Thats why I said a good INDEPENDANT alignment shop, the Dealer tech gets paid on volume, he's "allowed" so much time to do an alignment and makes more $$ the faster he can crank them out.

Find out who in your area does Autocross and HPDE alignments and make an appointment.
Yeah, I guess I'll have to. I got tired of arguing with Bob Taylor Chevrolet and walked out. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Vet
I had my car aligned within factory specs and the car handles excellent and tires are wearing just fine. It's all perfect.

This might have something to do with having the car aligned at a very reputable shop with new top-end alignment equipment. The job was done correctly and precisely.

I still do not understand why some people who encounter uneven / premature tire wear blame it on the factory alignment specs... I have had no such issues.

I'm also wondering if the severe spring memory on these cars is causing alignment inaccuracies. I do suspect this is why many C6s come from the factory with poor alignments... it simply takes a long time for the springs to settle... the ride height changes AFTER the alignment (due to spring movement) and then the car is no longer in good alignment.

I once had my car on jack stands for a few weeks (was working on it, then got busy and had to leave it) and when I finally put it back down, the suspension height was well over an inch higher than normal for almost two days... and the alignment felt noticeable horrible, twitchy, etc... it then settled back down and was fine.
Interesting. Thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted by Modshack
Good info.
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Originally Posted by Vet
I had my car aligned within factory specs and the car handles excellent and tires are wearing just fine. It's all perfect.

This might have something to do with having the car aligned at a very reputable shop with new top-end alignment equipment. The job was done correctly and precisely.

I still do not understand why some people who encounter uneven / premature tire wear blame it on the factory alignment specs... I have had no such issues.

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I agree...That's what I did..Rather than blame the spec, blame the settings coming out of the factory that are NOT to spec. I've mentioned before, 3 minutes to do 10 alignment settings is a crapshoot. Having a broad spec range covers their butt on this.. The chart below is my '08 before and after. Areas in red are way outta spec. A good independent took care of me and the car is great now. Tire wear is uniform and even with virtually no wear evident at 10K. A good independent is what you want. They spent a good 2 hours setting up and adjusting mine...I doubt the dealer will take that care..
Forget "Warranty"...Just pay the money if you want it done correctly..



Front tires at almost 10K....

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Modshack, Do you think those settings would work well on mine? It's an 05. How's you cornering? Do you have much sway (in the back) at say 60-70 mph with quick steering movements? Thanks
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Modshack, I know this is the Corvette forum, but you didn't take those two wheels off the car just for that picture did you?

And what exactly is the thrust angle??
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Modshack, I know this is the Corvette forum, but you didn't take those two wheels off the car just for that picture did you?

And what exactly is the thrust angle??
Ha ha!...No...I actually had them off to put in my Z06 brake ducts..

On thrust angle, it is the direction that the rear wheels are pointing in relation to the center line of the vehicle. If the thrust angle is not zero, then the vehicle will "dog track" and the steering wheel will not be centered.


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Modshack, Do you think those settings would work well on mine? It's an 05. How's you cornering? Do you have much sway (in the back) at say 60-70 mph with quick steering movements? Thanks
I'm sure the spec has been the same since the C6 came out, so this would be for the '05 as well. Car is very stable at this setting with good turn in behavior
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Fantastic info...not sure I understand it all, but learning.....thx
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Fantastic info...not sure I understand it all, but learning.....thx
Learning is a good thing!

Here's a short, easy to understand course on wheel alignment if you're interested: http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm
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Originally Posted by Modshack
Learning is a good thing!

Here's a short, easy to understand course on wheel alignment if you're interested: http://www.familycar.com/alignment.htm
Good link! I like their description of caster;
shopping cart front wheel.

Note that they state that changing the height (lowering) changes the alignment settings.
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Originally Posted by Modshack
Ha ha!...No...I actually had them off to put in my Z06 brake ducts..

On thrust angle, it is the direction that the rear wheels are pointing in relation to the center line of the vehicle. If the thrust angle is not zero, then the vehicle will "dog track" and the steering wheel will not be centered.


Thanks for the good info!
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