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St. Jude Donor '15
"In honor of jpee"
...but the gentleman has a point that can't be dismissed. I had an S2000 for 5 years. How many times have I been in the shop to have something repaired/replaced? Not once. Nada. The big "0."
Having my 05 C6 (which I'm very much passionate about), I've been in the shop so many times that not only do they know me by name, but the local Starbucks (inside the dealership-very nice) can order my drink on site. True story. Unreal situation.
That being said, I love the C6 and can't see myself owning anything else....yet.
Red Cell.
Having my 05 C6 (which I'm very much passionate about), I've been in the shop so many times that not only do they know me by name, but the local Starbucks (inside the dealership-very nice) can order my drink on site. True story. Unreal situation.
That being said, I love the C6 and can't see myself owning anything else....yet.
Red Cell.
I'm aware now that you've had a service history with your car, as has the OP with a brand new car. Unfortunate and regrettable. But I did state also that I don't claim the Corvette to be perfection in product. It's heading there, it's getting better, it still has "issues."
This isn't an apology for Chevrolet or Corvette. It is a recognition of fact.
Overall, it's still exactly what I want. But it may not be what sloe wants----and probably isn't. Because it is a mechanical device put together with something less than perfection, or even compared to other makes such as your Honda. Agreed, and granted.
So, therefore, some would be advised NOT TO BUY THE CORVETTE. That's my advice given the writing of others who see the issues as predominant.
Last edited by AORoads; Jul 19, 2008 at 01:46 PM.
Melting Slicks
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From: SOUTH SHORE Massachusetts
I am sort of in the waiting mode myself on the 09, I am waiting to see if the popping roof noise is cured...a small annoyance for sure..but thats all I would need to hear is the wife complaining about the noise after spending the bucks on a new one with as she puts it " a perfectly good corvette in the garage already" well...ah...you can never have too many toys.....like the rings you have on your fingers..hahahahahaha she stomped off....I WIN>>>>
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St. Jude Donor '15
"In honor of jpee"
I am sort of in the waiting mode myself on the 09, I am waiting to see if the popping roof noise is cured...a small annoyance for sure..but thats all I would need to hear is the wife complaining about the noise after spending the bucks on a new one with as she puts it " a perfectly good corvette in the garage already" well...ah...you can never have too many toys.....like the rings you have on your fingers..hahahahahaha she stomped off....I WIN>>>>
Racer
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From: Kansas City MO
I am not being silly 
It's just that I've been reading a lot of the posts here and am starting to wonder if I should pull the trigger. I know this is not a comparison but I purchased a 2004 Honda Accord and I have yet to have a problem with my Honda. Yes there were a few recalls on the car (about 3) that were taken care of from the dealer. I also have a 1990 Nissan 300ZX and never had my T-Top fly off while driving!...LOL
It's just that I've been reading a lot of the posts here and am starting to wonder if I should pull the trigger. I know this is not a comparison but I purchased a 2004 Honda Accord and I have yet to have a problem with my Honda. Yes there were a few recalls on the car (about 3) that were taken care of from the dealer. I also have a 1990 Nissan 300ZX and never had my T-Top fly off while driving!...LOL
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Our '01 Jag, just traded was a gem. My '05 C6 is finally a gem after 3 years of input. '06's and later give you a better chance for C6 gems.
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I was only kidding about exchanging the car.
Burning Brakes
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St. Jude Donor '06-'07-'08
Excellent post.
You should have been here early in the C6 product cycle around the fall of '04 and '05. We had several teething problems popping up being repeatedly reported by forum members. e.g. DBS, the 'dreaded battery syndrome'. Then came the flying roofs. The obvious difference was the relative frequency of these reports, as opposed to the other random, idiot related or unusual glitches infrequently reported. And those are mostly today's complaints and reports.
So much can be learned here about the C6 problems, but you might have to stick around longer to get a better feel for their relative importance and frequency.
You should have been here early in the C6 product cycle around the fall of '04 and '05. We had several teething problems popping up being repeatedly reported by forum members. e.g. DBS, the 'dreaded battery syndrome'. Then came the flying roofs. The obvious difference was the relative frequency of these reports, as opposed to the other random, idiot related or unusual glitches infrequently reported. And those are mostly today's complaints and reports.
So much can be learned here about the C6 problems, but you might have to stick around longer to get a better feel for their relative importance and frequency.
anothercrisis
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From: Dalllas/Ft Worth Area TX
Well.. I have to disagree that you are being silly or at least let me couch it differently perhaps a tad misinformed! A lesson please in statistics and sampling. There is a new form of statistics that were created with/form sites just like this one.....called "web-based trouble analytics" and in fact is the study of products that get bad raps from sites, blogs and so forth specifically from the internet information pool. This is a fairly new form of statistics information and these sites basically do not represent a good "take" if you will on any of the reliability or quality issues per se. Here is why.
A 2005 study by Duke University and subsequent studies shows that these sites have a concentration of two major demographics. Those who are simply looking for more information to make the subject product better or change.. and those who are complaintive in nature looking for answers. The other factor not measured here is the "idiot" factor as I call it. And.... let me get this straight.. I am NOT calling anyone an idiot per se.. but there are people that create their own problems and really weren't problems. For example, there was a truck site where folks were complaining profusely about a key fob that did not work properly. But, what was a diatribe of complaints turned into a programming issue (because they did NOT read their manual and/or simply cannot program their own VCR clock.. if you get what I mean
) . Another example was a motorcycle site where folks where experience transmission issues that actually was being created by members complaining there by flogging their bikes constantly.. dumping the clutch repetitively etc!
I other words... this site (and its subjects etc) do not statistically represent the mainstream product base, whether its good, bad or ugly! There is a huge group of satisfied customers that don't want help with either embolding the product and/or are very satisfied with the product and never visit here. This "mainstream" demographic makes up 95%+ of the statistical body!!! There is where your answers are from people who own the product.. not here with all due respect.
I have written technical articles for many sites as well as visited many other automotive related sites (probably hundreds) and all the sites (even for my wife's 2007 Accord...which by several sites are "junk" according to many threads there if one were to form opinions based on comments) have their fair share of pundits and complainers looking for corroborative information and/or help.
So, the bottom line is that you can't measure any quality aspect of the Corvette by what you see here statistically because of this phenom skewing.
Actually, Corvettes have a very good rating with JD powers ( http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index...ability-Survey , http://autos.nytimes.com/2007/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and http://autos.nytimes.com/2008/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and Edmunds here... http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consu...008/index.html all of which are truly independent views of the product here!
I wouldn't base my purchase on anything you see here necessarily good or bad. Do your homework from the "informed souces" such as Consumers Reports, JD Powers, Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book and/or periodicals in the industry. You will always have a concentrated group of problems at these sites that are "fringe" experiences. I have seen this over at Acura, Honda, and Lexus sites as well!
A 2005 study by Duke University and subsequent studies shows that these sites have a concentration of two major demographics. Those who are simply looking for more information to make the subject product better or change.. and those who are complaintive in nature looking for answers. The other factor not measured here is the "idiot" factor as I call it. And.... let me get this straight.. I am NOT calling anyone an idiot per se.. but there are people that create their own problems and really weren't problems. For example, there was a truck site where folks were complaining profusely about a key fob that did not work properly. But, what was a diatribe of complaints turned into a programming issue (because they did NOT read their manual and/or simply cannot program their own VCR clock.. if you get what I mean
) . Another example was a motorcycle site where folks where experience transmission issues that actually was being created by members complaining there by flogging their bikes constantly.. dumping the clutch repetitively etc!I other words... this site (and its subjects etc) do not statistically represent the mainstream product base, whether its good, bad or ugly! There is a huge group of satisfied customers that don't want help with either embolding the product and/or are very satisfied with the product and never visit here. This "mainstream" demographic makes up 95%+ of the statistical body!!! There is where your answers are from people who own the product.. not here with all due respect.
I have written technical articles for many sites as well as visited many other automotive related sites (probably hundreds) and all the sites (even for my wife's 2007 Accord...which by several sites are "junk" according to many threads there if one were to form opinions based on comments) have their fair share of pundits and complainers looking for corroborative information and/or help.
So, the bottom line is that you can't measure any quality aspect of the Corvette by what you see here statistically because of this phenom skewing.
Actually, Corvettes have a very good rating with JD powers ( http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index...ability-Survey , http://autos.nytimes.com/2007/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and http://autos.nytimes.com/2008/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and Edmunds here... http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consu...008/index.html all of which are truly independent views of the product here!
I wouldn't base my purchase on anything you see here necessarily good or bad. Do your homework from the "informed souces" such as Consumers Reports, JD Powers, Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book and/or periodicals in the industry. You will always have a concentrated group of problems at these sites that are "fringe" experiences. I have seen this over at Acura, Honda, and Lexus sites as well!
who doesn't believe in those lousy reports.
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I am not being silly It's just that I've been reading a lot of the posts here and am starting to wonder if I should pull the trigger. I know this is not a comparison but I purchased a 2004 Honda Accord and I have yet to have a problem with my Honda. Yes there were a few recalls on the car (about 3) that were taken care of from the dealer. I also have a 1990 Nissan 300ZX and never had my T-Top fly off while driving!...LOL
It's just that I've been reading a lot of the posts here and am starting to wonder if I should pull the trigger. I know this is not a comparison but I purchased a 2004 Honda Accord and I have yet to have a problem with my Honda. Yes there were a few recalls on the car (about 3) that were taken care of from the dealer. I also have a 1990 Nissan 300ZX and never had my T-Top fly off while driving!...LOL
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I never said I wasn't going to buy a Corvette. I'll be ordering one from a forum dealer (if my local dealer won't match their price; which I know they probably won't) in about a month or so. I was just curious about the problems some folks are having. Hopefully I won't experience them when I get my car. But am willing to deal with if I do. That is all folks! 
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St. Jude Donor '15
"In honor of jpee"
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Only 160 miles or so on a brand new $50K VETTE and you're already have problems? Take it back for a refund or have them give you another VETTE? I don't understand why there are so many problems with the corvette. I am in the market of purchasing one myself with cash in hand. (I have $1 saved and only need $49,999 more j/k) but the more I read about all the problems people are having, the less I want one....
Is the care really worth the price with all of the problems some of the folks on here are having?
Problems: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/sear...archid=8961910
Is the care really worth the price with all of the problems some of the folks on here are having? Problems: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/sear...archid=8961910
remember you only "hear" about the complainers, most vette c6 owners have trouble free cars... besides, that is what warranties are for.
In the past, I had a 2001 Infinity where the rack and pinion steering box jammed and you could not turn the car. also had a nissan 300zx where the turbo charger blew out. The new vettes are built pretty well, all things considered....
Drifting
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Well.. I have to disagree that you are being silly or at least let me couch it differently perhaps a tad misinformed! A lesson please in statistics and sampling. There is a new form of statistics that were created with/form sites just like this one.....called "web-based trouble analytics" and in fact is the study of products that get bad raps from sites, blogs and so forth specifically from the internet information pool. This is a fairly new form of statistics information and these sites basically do not represent a good "take" if you will on any of the reliability or quality issues per se. Here is why.
A 2005 study by Duke University and subsequent studies shows that these sites have a concentration of two major demographics. Those who are simply looking for more information to make the subject product better or change.. and those who are complaintive in nature looking for answers. The other factor not measured here is the "idiot" factor as I call it. And.... let me get this straight.. I am NOT calling anyone an idiot per se.. but there are people that create their own problems and really weren't problems. For example, there was a truck site where folks were complaining profusely about a key fob that did not work properly. But, what was a diatribe of complaints turned into a programming issue (because they did NOT read their manual and/or simply cannot program their own VCR clock.. if you get what I mean ) . Another example was a motorcycle site where folks where experience transmission issues that actually was being created by members complaining there by flogging their bikes constantly.. dumping the clutch repetitively etc!
I other words... this site (and its subjects etc) do not statistically represent the mainstream product base, whether its good, bad or ugly! There is a huge group of satisfied customers that don't want help with either embolding the product and/or are very satisfied with the product and never visit here. This "mainstream" demographic makes up 95%+ of the statistical body!!! There is where your answers are from people who own the product.. not here with all due respect.
I have written technical articles for many sites as well as visited many other automotive related sites (probably hundreds) and all the sites (even for my wife's 2007 Accord...which by several sites are "junk" according to many threads there if one were to form opinions based on comments) have their fair share of pundits and complainers looking for corroborative information and/or help.
So, the bottom line is that you can't measure any quality aspect of the Corvette by what you see here statistically because of this phenom skewing.
Actually, Corvettes have a very good rating with JD powers ( http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index...ability-Survey , http://autos.nytimes.com/2007/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and http://autos.nytimes.com/2008/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and Edmunds here... http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consu...008/index.html all of which are truly independent views of the product here!
I wouldn't base my purchase on anything you see here necessarily good or bad. Do your homework from the "informed souces" such as Consumers Reports, JD Powers, Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book and/or periodicals in the industry. You will always have a concentrated group of problems at these sites that are "fringe" experiences. I have seen this over at Acura, Honda, and Lexus sites as well!
A 2005 study by Duke University and subsequent studies shows that these sites have a concentration of two major demographics. Those who are simply looking for more information to make the subject product better or change.. and those who are complaintive in nature looking for answers. The other factor not measured here is the "idiot" factor as I call it. And.... let me get this straight.. I am NOT calling anyone an idiot per se.. but there are people that create their own problems and really weren't problems. For example, there was a truck site where folks were complaining profusely about a key fob that did not work properly. But, what was a diatribe of complaints turned into a programming issue (because they did NOT read their manual and/or simply cannot program their own VCR clock.. if you get what I mean
) . Another example was a motorcycle site where folks where experience transmission issues that actually was being created by members complaining there by flogging their bikes constantly.. dumping the clutch repetitively etc!I other words... this site (and its subjects etc) do not statistically represent the mainstream product base, whether its good, bad or ugly! There is a huge group of satisfied customers that don't want help with either embolding the product and/or are very satisfied with the product and never visit here. This "mainstream" demographic makes up 95%+ of the statistical body!!! There is where your answers are from people who own the product.. not here with all due respect.
I have written technical articles for many sites as well as visited many other automotive related sites (probably hundreds) and all the sites (even for my wife's 2007 Accord...which by several sites are "junk" according to many threads there if one were to form opinions based on comments) have their fair share of pundits and complainers looking for corroborative information and/or help.
So, the bottom line is that you can't measure any quality aspect of the Corvette by what you see here statistically because of this phenom skewing.
Actually, Corvettes have a very good rating with JD powers ( http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index...ability-Survey , http://autos.nytimes.com/2007/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and http://autos.nytimes.com/2008/Chevro...chRatings.aspx and Edmunds here... http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/consu...008/index.html all of which are truly independent views of the product here!
I wouldn't base my purchase on anything you see here necessarily good or bad. Do your homework from the "informed souces" such as Consumers Reports, JD Powers, Edmunds, Kelly Blue Book and/or periodicals in the industry. You will always have a concentrated group of problems at these sites that are "fringe" experiences. I have seen this over at Acura, Honda, and Lexus sites as well!
You are quoting bunk, I have a 2006 C6 A6 F55 and all it has been trouble and took GM two and one half years to correct, yes, 2 1/2 years of GM DELAY, DELAY, AND DELAY. Most ALL of my major problems took three (3) trips to the dealer. They were bad transmission cooling hoses at 1200 miles, shifter at 9k miles, crank sensor at 9k miles; clutch packs at 5k, 10k, & 17k miles (ruined rear tires); top separation, rear wheel bearing at 25k miles, exhaust hanger springs at 25k miles, glove department rattle that spent three (3) days with two (2) GM engineers at BG (Bowling Green) assembly plant which they could not resolve problem (finally resolved by "mrtoner" on this site). GM admitted that I was one of their 2% bad area Corvettes. I haven't even touched on my wife who does not want to even ride in the car for short trip because of all the breakdowns of a $60k piece of junk. So I don't go along with any of those stupid reports. who doesn't believe in those lousy reports.
who doesn't believe in those lousy reports.You may have just got one of those cars that you hear about, that gives you problems from the get go. I guess I would feel the same as you, if not even angrier. If you’re still a Corvette guy, give it one more chance and you might want to consider trying a newer model.
Peace .. Ben, OH
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You are quoting bunk, I have a 2006 C6 A6 F55 and all it has been trouble and took GM two and one half years to correct, yes, 2 1/2 years of GM DELAY, DELAY, AND DELAY. Most ALL of my major problems took three (3) trips to the dealer. They were bad transmission cooling hoses at 1200 miles, shifter at 9k miles, crank sensor at 9k miles; clutch packs at 5k, 10k, & 17k miles (ruined rear tires); top separation, rear wheel bearing at 25k miles, exhaust hanger springs at 25k miles, glove department rattle that spent three (3) days with two (2) GM engineers at BG (Bowling Green) assembly plant which they could not resolve problem (finally resolved by "mrtoner" on this site). GM admitted that I was one of their 2% bad area Corvettes. I haven't even touched on my wife who does not want to even ride in the car for short trip because of all the breakdowns of a $60k piece of junk. So I don't go along with any of those stupid reports. who doesn't believe in those lousy reports.
who doesn't believe in those lousy reports.
Le Mans Master
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Sorry to say it.. you're just an anomolie statistically and their as many good reports if not more. I have two friends that have worked for the JDPowers engineering and tech staff.. and they ARE world class engineers themselves. So, I take a more logical approach than anecdotal one necessary. You have to understand how statistics in these reports work. Does it lessen your experience.... NO! But, just to take your one incident as gospel is a huge mistake to measure the whole product.
One report of a "lemon" has as much statistical significance as another report of a 100% trouble free car...basically none.I'm probably one of the few on this board who actually gives a lot of credence to the Consumer Reports annual reliability surveys. I think they provide a relatively unbiased accounting of owner issues for any given vehicle. The C6 does not do well, mainly because owners do report more service issues with this car than other makes and models.
Still, many of the problems are minor, albeit frequently reported. I think that the repair rates will get better as the car matures and we have, in fact, seen fewer serious issues being reported on this board with each production year. Realistically though, how good can this car rate on any reliability survey when owners have been faced with issues like DBS, crank bolt pulleys loosening, detaching roofs, defective fuel sending units, and assorted lesser problems? True, GM has successfully addressed all these service issues, but it has taken time.
Again, I feel that my own ownership experience has far surpassed any inconvenience caused by having my car brought in for service, but the issues have been there. I honestly believe that GM is committed to resolving all reliability issues that effect the C6, even though their customer service leaves lots to be desired.
I think the C6 has improved from acceptable reliability to good reliability since its introduction in 2004 as a 2005 car. My hope is that it will eventually evolve into a totally reliable vehicle so that we seldom, if ever, even have to discuss this on the board.
Last edited by StanNH; Jul 20, 2008 at 09:09 AM.