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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 03:49 PM
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I gave the warranty the "heave ho"! Good thing I know a lot of people.
I didn't give the warranty a second thought after 90 days. I give a car 90 days to shake down any defects in materials or workmanship, then I forget about the warranty and do what I want with the car.
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I didn't give the warranty a second thought after 90 days. I give a car 90 days to shake down any defects in materials or workmanship, then I forget about the warranty and do what I want with the car.
I think I'm the same. Not sure we're the brightest bulbs on the tree but it works for us.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:07 PM
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Given with respect to individual preferences and/or choices, whereas some elect to stay within the confinement so prescribed by warranty and some choose otherwise, the following is an analogous illustration characterizing the two (2) types of the latter, namely “modaholics.”



NOTICE: To present date there is no known treatment (12-step program) to arrest such behavior(s) with studies furthermore suggesting it is a genetic predisposition immune to eradication.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Got a SpinMonster tune yesterday with 4800 miles on my 2008 A6 Coupe. (Thanks Spin and good job!) Not looking back. Getting rid of TM and the silly RPM spinup before the car moves forward from a stop was worth it just for that. If I lose a window regulator or the like, I'm still covered. If I have a powertrain issue, I'll deal with that when the time comes. Would give me a reason to go buy a forged motor and make a killer NA car.
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Given with respect to individual preferences and/or choices, whereas some elect to stay within the confinement so prescribed by warranty and some choose otherwise, the following is an analogous illustration characterizing the two (2) types of the latter, namely “modaholics.”



NOTICE: To present date there is no known treatment (12-step program) to arrest such behavior(s) with studies furthermore suggesting it is a genetic predisposition immune to eradication.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 04:37 PM
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It would not change my aversion to performance mods. I like stock. If I can't get along with 400hp in an 05 then I'll get an 08 or later at 430 or 436. If I can't get along with that I'll get a Z06 at 505.

Performance mods void warranties for a reason. The reason is that they potentially overstress parts and systems that were not designed for the power.

Have you seen the pics on some other thread showing Z06 vs ZR1 differentials? The comparison is striking. Much more strength and bigger cross section in the ZR1 casting. Why? Uh, could be that Z06 was on the edge with the 505 hp and they could not use it for the 100+ hp increase of the ZR1.

So you want to mod an ordinary C6 up to ZR1 hp levels or beyond? Point is that the more power you add to the engine the more failures you will get elsewhere. Therefore, I would not feel any more "freedom" to mod if loss of warranty were not an issue.....I'd just be looking at more parts of the drivetrain in pieces on the road that I'd have to pay for.

Some of this performance modding seems to me like a form of gambling. You know, like, betting others that you can go one better and the lower end will "probably" take it etc. That's about the time we see cylinder walls with holes blown through the block etc.

No thanks.

When you add up the money people spends on performance mods I think many of them could have stepped up to a Z06 from base or to the ZR1 from Z06. So, I must conclude, that performance modders are not really after more hp per se , or they'd buy the next model up, no, what they are after is the "experience" of doing the mods.

I get that and I respect that too. It's just not for me. I gambled with my life for many years mountain climbing. To me, pushing an engine waaaaaaaaay beyond factory hp is in a very real sense gambling with your life in the case of catastrophic failure while movin down the highway at 70, 80, 90 or more etc.
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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 07:46 PM
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It would not change my aversion to performance mods. I like stock. If I can't get along with 400hp in an 05 then I'll get an 08 or later at 430 or 436. If I can't get along with that I'll get a Z06 at 505.

Performance mods void warranties for a reason. The reason is that they potentially overstress parts and systems that were not designed for the power.

Have you seen the pics on some other thread showing Z06 vs ZR1 differentials? The comparison is striking. Much more strength and bigger cross section in the ZR1 casting. Why? Uh, could be that Z06 was on the edge with the 505 hp and they could not use it for the 100+ hp increase of the ZR1.

So you want to mod an ordinary C6 up to ZR1 hp levels or beyond? Point is that the more power you add to the engine the more failures you will get elsewhere. Therefore, I would not feel any more "freedom" to mod if loss of warranty were not an issue.....I'd just be looking at more parts of the drivetrain in pieces on the road that I'd have to pay for.

Some of this performance modding seems to me like a form of gambling. You know, like, betting others that you can go one better and the lower end will "probably" take it etc. That's about the time we see cylinder walls with holes blown through the block etc.

No thanks.

When you add up the money people spends on performance mods I think many of them could have stepped up to a Z06 from base or to the ZR1 from Z06. So, I must conclude, that performance modders are not really after more hp per se , or they'd buy the next model up, no, what they are after is the "experience" of doing the mods.

I get that and I respect that too. It's just not for me. I gambled with my life for many years mountain climbing. To me, pushing an engine waaaaaaaaay beyond factory hp is in a very real sense gambling with your life in the case of catastrophic failure while movin down the highway at 70, 80, 90 or more etc.
Depends on how you do the mods. My transmission and rear end were sent to RPM for balancing, cryo treating and polishing. Now they are suppose to handle up to 1,200 HP! If you know what you are doing mods are not going to damage your car.

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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:21 PM
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Also, I thought I read that the vette's engine's are built to handle a little more (however, not ridiculous power tweeking) without causing any damage. Can't remember where I heard it and if it's wrong, it's wrong???
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Originally Posted by GotVett?
Also, I thought I read that the vette's engine's are built to handle a little more (however, not ridiculous power tweeking) without causing any damage. Can't remember where I heard it and if it's wrong, it's wrong???
STS Turbo received GM's Best High Performace Product award at SEMA a few years back. According to STS (biased, of course), 7psi boost with their system doesn't require any other modifications to the base C6.

http://www.ststurbo.com/sema_2004
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STS Turbo received GM's Best High Performace Product award at SEMA a few years back. According to STS (biased, of course), 7psi boost with their system doesn't require any other modifications to the base C6.

http://www.ststurbo.com/sema_2004
Doesn't add up. If that is the case, then why does GM beef up the entire drivetrain on the Z06? Maybe they are only considering the engine's ability to handle their turbo.
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Doesn't add up. If that is the case, then why does GM beef up the entire drivetrain on the Z06? Maybe they are only considering the engine's ability to handle their turbo.
Can't answer that. Just regurgitating their propaganda.
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Originally Posted by Raazor
STS Turbo received GM's Best High Performace Product award at SEMA a few years back. According to STS (biased, of course), 7psi boost with their system doesn't require any other modifications to the base C6.

http://www.ststurbo.com/sema_2004
Don't think I saw that but I know i've been hearing it along the way. I think that for most, it's knowing the GM "safety net" is gone now, as if those that do the "good stuff" care anyway.

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Old Dec 14, 2008 | 09:51 PM
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You're right about that. I don't care. But in the interest of keeping a good thread going, here's some STS prop. Notice the blurb on the right saying no expensive modifications needed.

Also, if you visit their testimonials, there are about 75 or so that added the TT to their cars with no other mods.

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the aftermarket is strong. You can get anything fixed/replaced. My warranty is out...but I would mod anyway regardless of what happens to GM. If you buy performance parts, you KNOW something can go wrong, so its your fault anyway because you exceeded what that part was designed for.
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the aftermarket is strong. You can get anything fixed/replaced. My warranty is out...but I would mod anyway regardless of what happens to GM. If you buy performance parts, you KNOW something can go wrong, so its your fault anyway because you exceeded what that part was designed for.
Good point. Plus, the most important thing: It's Fun To Mod!!

I've had more fun over the last 6 months modding this car than I've had with any other project.

I have a customer who had planned on upgrading from a Z to a ZR1 until he saw my car. Now he wants to mod his Z. It's just too much fun!
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Personally maintain that in taking one’s “properly prepared” ship to the high seas and dance on the waves not so much a crime as those who make of it and choose instead to stay in "Mundane Harbor."

How sad if all that distinguishes a Corvette in a parking lot of others – given to identical color, etc., is a state issued license plate. Even sadder yet if the plate bears the name… “Orwell.”

In compliment to those (modaholics) choosing uniqueness over ordinary…

"Our dangers, as it seems to me, are not from the outrageous but from the conforming; not from those who rarely and under the lurid glare of obloquy upset our moral complaisance, or shock us with unaccustomed conduct, but from those, the mass of us, who take their virtues and tastes, like their shirts and their furniture, from the limited patterns which the market offers." – P. 34, The Preservation of Personality (1927).
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Originally Posted by Zotic
Personally maintain that in taking one’s “properly prepared” ship to the high seas and dance on the waves not so much a crime as those who make of it and choose instead to stay in "Mundane Harbor."

How sad if all that distinguishes a Corvette in a parking lot of others – given to identical color, etc., is a state issued license plate. Even sadder yet if the plate bears the name… “Orwell.”

In compliment to those (modaholics) choosing uniqueness over ordinary…

"Our dangers, as it seems to me, are not from the outrageous but from the conforming; not from those who rarely and under the lurid glare of obloquy upset our moral complaisance, or shock us with unaccustomed conduct, but from those, the mass of us, who take their virtues and tastes, like their shirts and their furniture, from the limited patterns which the market offers." – P. 34, The Preservation of Personality (1927).
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