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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by STEVE MC
With the way things are going with GM, there may not even be a 2010 model.
There will definitely be a 2010 model.

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In my humble opinion (and this is pure speculation on my part) I doubt you will see any huge differences between the 09 and 10 models.
My reasoning is because the last thing GM would want to do is add to the problem of making it more difficult to sell stock piled 09 models.
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The C6 is a politically incorrect car to be building for a company that goes to Washington hat in hand looking for money. My worry is that the C6's days are numbered.
GM screwed a $#!+load of people who just days earlier, had bought LS2 based 2007 C6s when they came out with the 2008.

And then to add insult to injury and twist the knife into those poor people's backs, the dealers started discounting the '08s pretty much right off the bat, making the price of the '08 less than the price of the '07 that some folks had just bought.

A lot of people aren't going to forget that. Hell, they can't forget it as they are still on the hook for the payments on the '07s they bought.

There are 5913 unsold 2009 Corvettes out there right now. And 1476 unsold 2008s.

They try that 2007-2008 game now and they can forget about selling those 7400 cars and the 2010s.

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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06
There will definitely be a 2010 model.





GM screwed a $#!+load of people who just days earlier, had bought LS2 based 2007 C6s when they came out with the 2008.

And then to add insult to injury and twist the knife into those poor people's backs, the dealers started discounting the '08s pretty much right off the bat, making the price of the '08 less than the price of the '07 that some folks had just bought.

A lot of people aren't going to forget that. Hell, they can't forget it as they are still on the hook for the payments on the '07s they bought.

There are 5913 unsold 2009 Corvettes out there right now. And 1476 unsold 2008s.

They try that 2007-2008 game now and they can forget about selling those 7400 cars and the 2010s.
Well said.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:02 PM
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It's more a question if a 2010 model will be produced, not what changes might be made.
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Is there any additional information on whether the Plant will close on March 30th?

As far as a 2010, my 2009 is such a POS with only 3900 miles on it, that if I could sell it without taking to much of a hit...I'd dump it immediately!!!
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Originally Posted by Red98C5
Is there any additional information on whether the Plant will close on March 30th?

As far as a 2010, my 2009 is such a POS with only 3900 miles on it, that if I could sell it without taking to much of a hit...I'd dump it immediately!!!
If its a POS take it back three times for the same POS problem and claim Lemon Law.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:25 PM
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Here are the 'rumors' I heard:

* Victory Red goes away, Torch Red returns
* Good Year goes away, Michelin is the new tire
* Dashboard gets a makeover

Again, not sure if these are fact or rumors. The truth will be revealed on April 23...
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06

GM screwed a $#!+load of people who just days earlier, had bought LS2 based 2007 C6s when they came out with the 2008.

And then to add insult to injury and twist the knife into those poor people's backs, the dealers started discounting the '08s pretty much right off the bat, making the price of the '08 less than the price of the '07 that some folks had just bought.

A lot of people aren't going to forget that. Hell, they can't forget it as they are still on the hook for the payments on the '07s they bought.

There are 5913 unsold 2009 Corvettes out there right now. And 1476 unsold 2008s.

They try that 2007-2008 game now and they can forget about selling those 7400 cars and the 2010s.
I Respectfully Disagree. As an 07 Owner the additional 30HP is trivial enough for me to not even care vs 08. I tend to think I escaped many of the early C6 problems. So there are two ways to look at it.

Also having driven an 08 the so called "Steering rack" upgrade I believe was a mistake. Especially on Z51 cars.

However, I think drastic change has to happen in 2010 or people will realize the Corvette is a "has been" and that includes the Z06.

With other cars toting 540hp engines that cost less. It's time for Corvette to get serious again. Minimum 450HP is needed in the base Corvette. Direct Injection. Possibly a .MP3 input??? I dont think I'm asking for too much here.

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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Red98C5
Is there any additional information on whether the Plant will close on March 30th?
OK, I'll put my flame suit on just in case but-----> Last Friday I received a call from a friend doing the Buyer's Tour at the BG. He indicated that the plant currently is building only "presells" and that the BG plant would close again when those are orders built out and wouldn't start again until significant orders materialized. Said they're only building 50 units a day as opposed to nearly 150 /day. Some of the BG folks had recieved layoff notices. (Sorry to hear of that).
He also witnessed a few of what he called "executive cars" going down the line. (Which I assume are 2010 test mules). I'll take him for his word at this as he isn't the type to kid around. He said there were non Z06 wide bodies going down the line and said he was told told this would be an option on the 2010's. I think he said these were steel framed units. Kinda makes some sense as it wouldn't cost too much to do that. 'Said it's about a $9k option but I don't know what else it included besides the wide body.
He also mentioned something about a Gran Sport option which I think may be similar the Club Sport which recently was revealed but I think it's the wide body with an LS3/Z51 package with some graphics stuff. Additionally, a Z52 handling package will be available but I'm unsure of it's details. Any way hopefully, I'll get some more info when I get a chance to talk with him again. He did the buyers tour but decided to have his Z51 shipped to his dealer so I think his car is about 2-3 weeks out.

Anyway I'm taking his word on this and will retract this if it isn't true but like I said earlier he's not one to kid around about his cars.
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Originally Posted by Daytona Bob
I Respectfully Disagree. As an 07 Owner the additional 30HP is trivial enough for me to not even care vs 08. I tend to think I escaped many of the early C6 problems. So there are two ways to look at it.....


Anyone care to poll people on this forum who purchased brand new 2007 C6 Corvettes prior to the Birthday bash of April 2007 and ask:

"Had you known what the 2008 Corvette was going to bring over the 2007, would you have still purchased your 2007 at the same point in time which you did?"

See how many answer that YES and how many answer it NO.

GM *&^%ed those folks but good. They stabbed them in the back. And GM is paying for it now.

A lot of those '07 buyers who they screwed, are still paying for those cars and can't in this economic climate, open their wallets up to GM for another Vette "upgrade" at this time. And they may have been loyal customers.

Their cars were also instantly devalued that much more, and became less desirable as a result of what happened with the '08 model as well. GM did those folks a big favor. NOT.

You can only bleed people so much until they bleed out. You can only screw people so hard before they pass out.

But I wouldn't put it past GM to stab those '08 and recent '09 buyers in the back, the same way they stabbed those '07 buyers in the back.

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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 09:22 PM
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I bought an '07 convertible in April of 2007, and I don't feel "screwed" at all. I got a great buy on it, and I had it to drive and enjoy that spring and summer before the 08's became available. I've done a few basic mods, so the extra 30HP isn't a big deal. Not too concerned about resale value - I'll trade it on a 2011 if there is one.

Here's hoping.
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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 09:29 PM
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Really the design changes happened on the C5 as well from 2000-2001.

Folks who wanted the Performance C5 in 2000 got a FRC.

In 2001 they upgraded the engine, made several parts cheaper, and introduced the Z06 as the performance FRC.

Point to that is I knew enough about C5's to figure it would also happen in the C6.

Maybe I should do a poll. However, the 08 changes just aren't drastic enough to feel "screwed" Every time I put the top down and fire up the V8... I feel good about my purchase.

Even if someone happens to "see" me at a red light in my 07... I promise I feel just as good as I would in an 08.

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Old Mar 8, 2009 | 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by edbrick
If its a POS take it back three times for the same POS problem and claim Lemon Law.
I've gone thru the Lemon Law routine with another Vette and it comes out that it's not quite that easy. A lot of the "decision" is done by the court judge that is presented with the case, in my case I won, in my buddies case (which was truely severe) he lost and the court put a branded title on his car (that's the dumb s&(*& laws in NJ).

Also if the bulletins by GM about some of the problems say "it's normal", which most do by the way, you don't have a good case.
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Originally Posted by BIG Dave
Here are the 'rumors' I heard:

* Victory Red goes away, Torch Red returns
* Good Year goes away, Michelin is the new tire
* Dashboard gets a makeover

Again, not sure if these are fact or rumors. The truth will be revealed on April 23...
I also heard electronic parking brake and thus getting rid of that ugly handle sticking up in the air. This might account for some of the dash/console changes as obviously they have to add a button.
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Oh I know:

The aluminum frame will have the internal braces, come with a targa top, and will be standard.

The LS7 with direct injection and 525 HP will be the base engine.

Recaro seats, Brembro, and ZR1 brakes will be options.

A Z51/Z06 with delete options for a track car.
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Originally Posted by ZPO
OK, I'll put my flame suit on just in case but-----> Last Friday I received a call from a friend doing the Buyer's Tour at the BG. He indicated that the plant currently is building only "presells" and that the BG plant would close again when those are orders built out and wouldn't start again until significant orders materialized. Said they're only building 50 units a day as opposed to nearly 150 /day. Some of the BG folks had recieved layoff notices. (Sorry to hear of that).
He also witnessed a few of what he called "executive cars" going down the line. (Which I assume are 2010 test mules). I'll take him for his word at this as he isn't the type to kid around. He said there were non Z06 wide bodies going down the line and said he was told told this would be an option on the 2010's. I think he said these were steel framed units. Kinda makes some sense as it wouldn't cost too much to do that. 'Said it's about a $9k option but I don't know what else it included besides the wide body.
He also mentioned something about a Gran Sport option which I think may be similar the Club Sport which recently was revealed but I think it's the wide body with an LS3/Z51 package with some graphics stuff. Additionally, a Z52 handling package will be available but I'm unsure of it's details. Any way hopefully, I'll get some more info when I get a chance to talk with him again. He did the buyers tour but decided to have his Z51 shipped to his dealer so I think his car is about 2-3 weeks out.

Anyway I'm taking his word on this and will retract this if it isn't true but like I said earlier he's not one to kid around about his cars.

That would make no sense with the car market we have now, which may, probably will, get worse.
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two or three msrp increases probably is about all to expect......
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Originally Posted by MAJ Z06
Oh I know:

The aluminum frame will have the internal braces, come with a targa top, and will be standard.

The LS7 with direct injection and 525 HP will be the base engine.

Recaro seats, Brembro, and ZR1 brakes will be options.

A Z51/Z06 with delete options for a track car.
Sounds like your wish list.
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Originally Posted by b4i4getit
The C6 is a politically incorrect car to be building for a company that goes to Washington hat in hand looking for money. My worry is that the C6's days are numbered.
Yep, it is sad that I drive a great, fun, high powered Corvette that gets 20+MPG AROUND town when I could be driving a ricer that gets about the same!
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06


Anyone care to poll people on this forum who purchased brand new 2007 C6 Corvettes prior to the Birthday bash of April 2007 and ask:

"Had you known what the 2008 Corvette was going to bring over the 2007, would you have still purchased your 2007 at the same point in time which you did?"

See how many answer that YES and how many answer it NO.

GM *&^%ed those folks but good. They stabbed them in the back. And GM is paying for it now.

A lot of those '07 buyers who they screwed, are still paying for those cars and can't in this economic climate, open their wallets up to GM for another Vette "upgrade" at this time. And they may have been loyal customers.

Their cars were also instantly devalued that much more, and became less desirable as a result of what happened with the '08 model as well. GM did those folks a big favor. NOT.

You can only bleed people so much until they bleed out. You can only screw people so hard before they pass out.

But I wouldn't put it past GM to stab those '08 and recent '09 buyers in the back, the same way they stabbed those '07 buyers in the back.

Corvette buyers need to do their HOMEWORK.

The ONLY 2007 owners that got screwed are the ones that bought the Corvette too late in the model year. By the time they got their 2007 in mid 2007 I had already been driving my 2007 for about 10 months or so, as I took delivery on August 1, 2006. My car was produced in the
2nd week of production of the 2007's, sometime in early July 2006.

If, for example, I paid the same price as someone that bought in mid 2007 did in relation to invoice (I paid about $100 over invoice back in August 2006), then those that bought in mid 2007 were hit with HUGE, IMMEDIATE depreciation that took my car 10 months to accrue.

The day these people drove the car off the lot it took a big depreciation hit, because soon after that it was technically, a 1 year old car, since the 2008's came out soon after. My 2007 was not a one year ond car until after.....about ONE YEAR

NO ONE should be buying a Corvette at the end of ANY model year run unless they can negotiate about a $5000+ additional discount over and above what most people were buying the car for when that model year first hit the market. So, if you were looking at buying a 2007 in April 2007, you needed to get $5000 UNDER invoice or better. That is almost impossible. Thus the reason to NEVER buy a Corvette at the end of the model year!!!!!!!

It should be NO Surprise to anyone that the new model year starts in July!!!!


To address your other point>>>>>>>>>
The 2007's and 2008's are going to depreciate at EXACTLY the same rate.

Everyone knows Corvettes improve with each model year, and history for the past 20 years, backs upt the fact that 2007's are not going to depreciate more rapidly or have a softer resale value just because the 2008's had few improvements and that includes the added HP.

For that matter I'll challenge a 2008 Convertible with Selective Ride and Auto with it's 430 HP to a 0-60 race in my stock 2007 Coupe/Z51/6 Speed/ Michelin PS2 replacement tires and we'll see how much that 30 extra HP really matters.

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