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Old May 28, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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i want to order 12 quarts amsoil 5w-30 and 2 filters......anyone know a good place to buy?
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Go to Subdriver he is a dealer and at least the proceeds will go to Corvette forum.
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thats kinna what i was gettin at anyone on here sell it or anything better than amsoil.com....least now i know i can help the forum......
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I get all my Amsoil products at the local Napa Auto Parts store...right there on the shelf, especially 75-90 for the "diff" chatter.

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Thanks for the mention LS WON.

As a note to all, if you go to AMSOIL's corporate website and buy from them, the price is their standard retail price and the sale and commission would be credited to a local AMSOIL certified dealer (of which I am one) in your area. Most AMSOIL dealers are not certified. If you use the reference number in my sig, the sale is credited to my dealership and part of the proceeds go to the forum. That said, I can get you dealer wholesale pricing via the AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program. PM for details if interested. Thanks!
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Thanks for the mention LS WON.

As a note to all, if you go to AMSOIL's corporate website and buy from them, the price is their standard retail price and the sale and commission would be credited to a local AMSOIL certified dealer (of which I am one) in your area. Most AMSOIL dealers are not certified. If you use the reference number in my sig, the sale is credited to my dealership and part of the proceeds go to the forum. That said, I can get you dealer wholesale pricing via the AMSOIL Preferred Customer Program. PM for details if interested. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Bill Soda
I get all my Amsoil products at the local Napa Auto Parts store...right there on the shelf, especially 75-90 for the "diff" chatter.

I have never seen any Amsoil product for sale at any store. Seems to be you always must get from Amsoil or a Amsoil distributer.
Redline and Royal Purple I have seen. I saw the Redline at a higher priced auto parts store. The Royal Purple must be the newest to come aboard. I have seen Royal Purple at Walmart and Pepboys. But I have heard about these two brands now for a long time (Amsoil and Redline) as these two have been around a long time.
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I bought mine from Subdriver, then applied for a preferred membership and that is the site (www.amsoil.com) where I BUY my discounted price, so what seems to be amusing to you may I ask?
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AMSOIL does not intend for its products to be sold thru retail stores though it is possible to sometimes find one that does. AMSOIL is a direct sales only company thru their independent dealer organization. Since I expect to buy about 3 dozen quarts of oil per year, I joined their Preferred Customer program ($20/yr) last summer which allows me to buy at dealer cost which is over $2 per qt savings on most products. You can buy thru their online store but you will need to designate a dealer like Subdriver to get sales credit or the website will choose one for you in the geographic area you live. In AMSOIL I trust.
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Originally Posted by Bill Soda
I get all my Amsoil products at the local Napa Auto Parts store...right there on the shelf, especially 75-90 for the "diff" chatter.

I would assume that there is an independent AMSOIL dealer who is selling or consigning the products to that NAPA store. Or that NAPA store owner is also an independent AMSOIL dealer.
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Originally Posted by GOLD72
I would assume that there is an independent AMSOIL dealer who is selling or consigning the products to that NAPA store. Or that NAPA store owner is also an independent AMSOIL dealer.
I think that is it because my local NAPA also has Amsoil. But if I remember correctly, (I used to be a dealer) there is leeway to sell to a business and have Amsoil products on the shelf. Subdriver will know more as he is current.
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I bought mine from Subdriver, then applied for a preferred membership and that is the site (www.amsoil.com) where I BUY my discounted price, so what seems to be amusing to you may I ask?
I believe he was referring to how easy it was to find on the internet.Maybe you should check with Amzoil for a special "sense of humor "lube as yours appears to be gummed up!Have a nice day.
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Just curious, what refinery (oil company) do they get the product from? I like what they have to say in their "White" paper but maybe the refiner markets the same product with another name? Thanks!
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I believe he was referring to how easy it was to find on the internet.Maybe you should check with Amzoil for a special "sense of humor "lube as yours appears to be gummed up!Have a nice day.
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Just curious, what refinery (oil company) do they get the product from? I like what they have to say in their "White" paper but maybe the refiner markets the same product with another name? Thanks!
Very simplistic to say they get their product from another company, implying they rebadge and sell it. Motor oil is blended together from many constituents, primarily the basestock and additives including anti-wear additives, dispersants and detergents. How these are all blended together differentiates one oil from another. AMSOIL has its own plant where the basestocks and additives they buy from other companies are blended together to make the final products.

The API has not defined "synthetic". It is accepted that Group III basestock (highly hydroprocessed mineral oil), Group IV (polyalphaolefins or PAO), and Group V (all others including polyol esters) are "synthetics". The majority of the synthetics on the market are Group III. All of AMSOIL's lubricants less the XL line use Group IV basestock. But, even that is simplistic. Go to Royal Purple or Mobil 1's website and try to determine what basestock they use. RP doesn't say and Mobil 1 uses vague language like "uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs)." So is their basestock PAO or partially PAO or mostly PAO? Hard to tell. AMSOIL is believed to use primarily PAO, but with some percentage of Group V polyol ester added in to lower the oil's coefficient of friction and improve its compatibility with seals. As to how much, they aren't saying.

The additives are equally varied, and in many cases, particularly for API SM oils, limited by the API guidelines. For example, 30 grade oils labeled to meet API SM/ILSAC GF-4 requirements are limited to having phosphorus less than 800 ppm. As phosphorus is part of an oils primary anti-wear additive, along with zinc, that is why I don't use an API SM oil in my Z06 on the track (I use AMSOIL Dominator racing oil with zinc on the order of 1575 ppm).

So, in a roundabout answer to your question, AMSOIL buys basestock from major oil companies but they vary who they buy from to get the best balance of price/quality. They buy additives from chemical companies. They blend them all together at their processing plant in Superior WI and ship their product out to distrubution centers from there.

I've taken a few oil samples on my daily driver, an 06 CTS-V with the LS2 engine. You can see the differences between the Mobil 1 and AMSOIL in these results (such as the higher Calcium levels - a detergent). AMSOIL is not a rebadged version of Mobil 1 or any other oil.
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In answer to the questions above about what retail outlet can sell AMSOIL, the short story is that AMSOIL will not distribute to nationally owned chains like Walmart. They will to locally owned businesses (usually limited to an owner who owns 12 or less stores). Most NAPA stores are locally owned so they qualify for AMSOIL retail accounts. FYI, if anyone owns a business that either uses or sells oils, getting an AMSOIL account is easy and there is no cost to businesses for this account. PM if interested.
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Very simplistic to say they get their product from another company, implying they rebadge and sell it. Motor oil is blended together from many constituents, primarily the basestock and additives including anti-wear additives, dispersants and detergents. How these are all blended together differentiates one oil from another. AMSOIL has its own plant where the basestocks and additives they buy from other companies are blended together to make the final products.

The API has not defined "synthetic". It is accepted that Group III basestock (highly hydroprocessed mineral oil), Group IV (polyalphaolefins or PAO), and Group V (all others including polyol esters) are "synthetics". The majority of the synthetics on the market are Group III. All of AMSOIL's lubricants less the XL line use Group IV basestock. But, even that is simplistic. Go to Royal Purple or Mobil 1's website and try to determine what basestock they use. RP doesn't say and Mobil 1 uses vague language like "uses high-performance fluids, including polyalphaolefins (PAOs)." So is their basestock PAO or partially PAO or mostly PAO? Hard to tell. AMSOIL is believed to use primarily PAO, but with some percentage of Group V polyol ester added in to lower the oil's coefficient of friction and improve its compatibility with seals. As to how much, they aren't saying.

The additives are equally varied, and in many cases, particularly for API SM oils, limited by the API guidelines. For example, 30 grade oils labeled to meet API SM/ILSAC GF-4 requirements are limited to having phosphorus less than 800 ppm. As phosphorus is part of an oils primary anti-wear additive, along with zinc, that is why I don't use an API SM oil in my Z06 on the track (I use AMSOIL Dominator racing oil with zinc on the order of 1575 ppm).

So, in a roundabout answer to your question, AMSOIL buys basestock from major oil companies but they vary who they buy from to get the best balance of price/quality. They buy additives from chemical companies. They blend them all together at their processing plant in Superior WI and ship their product out to distrubution centers from there.

I've taken a few oil samples on my daily driver, an 06 CTS-V with the LS2 engine. You can see the differences between the Mobil 1 and AMSOIL in these results (such as the higher Calcium levels - a detergent). AMSOIL is not a rebadged version of Mobil 1 or any other oil.
Cadillac CTS-V Used Oil Analysis – Mobil 1 5w30 vs AMSOIL 0w30

In answer to the questions above about what retail outlet can sell AMSOIL, the short story is that AMSOIL will not distribute to nationally owned chains like Walmart. They will to locally owned businesses (usually limited to an owner who owns 12 or less stores). Most NAPA stores are locally owned so they qualify for AMSOIL retail accounts. FYI, if anyone owns a business that either uses or sells oils, getting an AMSOIL account is easy and there is no cost to businesses for this account. PM if interested.
I've ordered two cases and awaiting for arrival. One box for the
5W30 (100% synthetic for the C6) and the 0W20 (100% synt) for my Mach 1. I noticed they didn't come w/ 5W20 grade (except for the XL5W20).
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I've ordered two cases and awaiting for arrival. One box for the
5W30 (100% synthetic for the C6) and the 0W20 (100% synt) for my Mach 1. I noticed they didn't come w/ 5W20 grade (except for the XL5W20).


The SAE 0w20 is a Group IV PAO basestock and the better choice than the XL 5w20 for your Mach 1. I feel that you made the right choice.
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The SAE 0w20 is a Group IV PAO basestock and the better choice than the XL 5w20 for your Mach 1. I feel that you made the right choice.
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