GS Hand Built engine
Burning Brakes
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From: Ex BX... Ex NJ... Hello CT!!! CT
http://www.carphotos.org/2009/08/20/...g-on-steroids/
The Coyote 5.0 is their new engine that puts out 400 HP/400 TQ, so compared to a base Corvette's weight to HP ratio, it loses against a base Corvette. Compare the 750 HP so called "Super Snake" to a 505 HP Z06... Yeah, I said Z06, not ZR1... And the Z06 will spank that puppy too. Having all that HP to move a car that weighs over 4000 lbs.... Stock for stock and with equal drivers, The Z06 wins every time.
From the article:
The reason for all this madness is the supercharged 5.4-liter V8 under the hood. The same base engine comes in the already powerful Shelby GT500 Mustang, and that one has a supercharger, too. So what’s the difference? The Whipple supercharger on the Super Snake adds 16 p.s.i. of boost, increasing the power output to a ridiculous 750 horsepower and 710 lb-ft of torque. If you felt the need, you could easily spin the tires from first gear all the way up to fourth. The Super Snake can do a standing quarter mile in 12 seconds flat, crossing the line at 120 mph. This is definitely impressive, but most drivers will have worn through their tires after 100 yards, so that kind of takes the fun out of it... Stock Z06's run in the lower 11's and trap at 123 MPH.
The 2010 Shelby GT500 Super Snake represents the qualities of a muscle car taken to the extreme. Unfortunately, that also applies to the downsides of muscle cars as well. For all their power and looks, muscle cars never really like taking corners. Yes, there have been huge advancements in suspension and steering technologies over the past few years, but American muscle has never really been able to compete with a low-slung European sports car on winding corners. The Super Snake takes this mild drawback and really puts it into the forefront. It is capable of immense speeds in a straight line, but if you want to safely handle a corner, you’ll have to mash the brakes or risk losing control while trying to hit an apex.
Go watch that youtube video again and even it being two years old, the storyline and ending is still the same today for the "Super Snake"....
Dollar for dollar, would I buy a "Super Snake" or a Z06??? Look at my signature for that answer.....
Melting Slicks
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One of the better explanations I have read. Nice Job.
No performance or reliability improvements, just a better way to handle the unique components related to the dry sump. - And no, the dry sump is not a performance enhancement (as in hp), especially considering the term "dry sump" is not really an accurate description of what the LS3 has.
As for the Mustang, I love 'em and think what Ford is doing is great. Most all on this forum will bash any vehicle that is not a Corvette and that is a shame.
No performance or reliability improvements, just a better way to handle the unique components related to the dry sump. - And no, the dry sump is not a performance enhancement (as in hp), especially considering the term "dry sump" is not really an accurate description of what the LS3 has.
As for the Mustang, I love 'em and think what Ford is doing is great. Most all on this forum will bash any vehicle that is not a Corvette and that is a shame.
Joes explanation was spot on. I also agree about the Mustang and if were not for the fact that they counterfeit the V8's with the cheaper 6 bangers I would probably have one in my stable. Just too many out there and I prefer a little more exclusivity.
Racer
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From: Auburn Alabama
I find this whole argument/discussion to be hillarious.....we are a forum of Corvette fans, why bring other cars into the picture and then say stuff like you gotta respect this car, or this car is better. If any of us wanted a shelby or mustang over our Vettes, gues what we wouldnt be here on this forum. I am not being a hater but I am passionate about Corvettes and have always been, best or worst car, why do forum members have to defend our passion against other cars? If you come into my house and insult it, I am going to bite back, that is what the true Corvette fans are doing when someone pops on the forum and says other cars are great. There are a bunch of mustang forums, go to those to talk about mustangs, we talk about CORVETTES here, if you dont like, dont show up......thats my $.02 because I love the Corvette.....always have and always will.
Melting Slicks
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From: Florida
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I find this whole argument/discussion to be hillarious.....we are a forum of Corvette fans, why bring other cars into the picture and then say stuff like you gotta respect this car, or this car is better. If any of us wanted a shelby or mustang over our Vettes, gues what we wouldnt be here on this forum. I am not being a hater but I am passionate about Corvettes and have always been, best or worst car, why do forum members have to defend our passion against other cars? If you come into my house and insult it, I am going to bite back, that is what the true Corvette fans are doing when someone pops on the forum and says other cars are great. There are a bunch of mustang forums, go to those to talk about mustangs, we talk about CORVETTES here, if you dont like, dont show up......thats my $.02 because I love the Corvette.....always have and always will.
Burning Brakes
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From: Williamston MI
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Interesting to read different viewpoints on the value of hand built (or hand assembled). You can be assured that the process is very controlled, during assembly, and testing after the build is complete. You can also be assured that cheeseburger grease is not allowed unless it is synthetic Mobil 1.
Burning Brakes
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From: Ex BX... Ex NJ... Hello CT!!! CT
If you come into my house and insult it, I am going to bite back, that is what the true Corvette fans are doing when someone pops on the forum and says other cars are great. There are a bunch of mustang forums, go to those to talk about mustangs, we talk about CORVETTES here, if you dont like, dont show up......thats my $.02 because I love the Corvette.....always have and always will.
Regarding $85K Mega HP Mustangs versus ANY Corvette... You can put any silk hat you wish on it, but in the end, it's still a sow.....
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From: Retired early,everyday is Saturday...Hocking Hills Ohio
Safety Car
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It was human error that did not resupply the "precise machine" the rings to install. Hum, human error? Hand built?
Last edited by Mike's LS3; May 11, 2010 at 10:37 PM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Austin TX
As previously stated, only the GS coupes with manual shift get the hand assembled Wixom engine. All Wixom engines do get a builders nameplate (except for long blocks). On the LS3 dry sumps the name plate is on the front of the intake manifold, RH side. A previous thread has a picture showing location.
Interesting to read different viewpoints on the value of hand built (or hand assembled). You can be assured that the process is very controlled, during assembly, and testing after the build is complete. You can also be assured that cheeseburger grease is not allowed unless it is synthetic Mobil 1.
Interesting to read different viewpoints on the value of hand built (or hand assembled). You can be assured that the process is very controlled, during assembly, and testing after the build is complete. You can also be assured that cheeseburger grease is not allowed unless it is synthetic Mobil 1.
Le Mans Master
Joined: Mar 2002
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From: Concord NC
No, it has everything to do with it...... You're trying to compare an apple to an orange....
http://www.carphotos.org/2009/08/20/...g-on-steroids/
The Coyote 5.0 is their new engine that puts out 400 HP/400 TQ, so compared to a base Corvette's weight to HP ratio, it loses against a base Corvette. Compare the 750 HP so called "Super Snake" to a 505 HP Z06... Yeah, I said Z06, not ZR1... And the Z06 will spank that puppy too. Having all that HP to move a car that weighs over 4000 lbs.... Stock for stock and with equal drivers, The Z06 wins every time.
From the article:
The reason for all this madness is the supercharged 5.4-liter V8 under the hood. The same base engine comes in the already powerful Shelby GT500 Mustang, and that one has a supercharger, too. So what’s the difference? The Whipple supercharger on the Super Snake adds 16 p.s.i. of boost, increasing the power output to a ridiculous 750 horsepower and 710 lb-ft of torque. If you felt the need, you could easily spin the tires from first gear all the way up to fourth. The Super Snake can do a standing quarter mile in 12 seconds flat, crossing the line at 120 mph. This is definitely impressive, but most drivers will have worn through their tires after 100 yards, so that kind of takes the fun out of it... Stock Z06's run in the lower 11's and trap at 123 MPH.
The 2010 Shelby GT500 Super Snake represents the qualities of a muscle car taken to the extreme. Unfortunately, that also applies to the downsides of muscle cars as well. For all their power and looks, muscle cars never really like taking corners. Yes, there have been huge advancements in suspension and steering technologies over the past few years, but American muscle has never really been able to compete with a low-slung European sports car on winding corners. The Super Snake takes this mild drawback and really puts it into the forefront. It is capable of immense speeds in a straight line, but if you want to safely handle a corner, you’ll have to mash the brakes or risk losing control while trying to hit an apex.
Go watch that youtube video again and even it being two years old, the storyline and ending is still the same today for the "Super Snake".... Dollar for dollar, would I buy a "Super Snake" or a Z06??? Look at my signature for that answer.....
http://www.carphotos.org/2009/08/20/...g-on-steroids/
The Coyote 5.0 is their new engine that puts out 400 HP/400 TQ, so compared to a base Corvette's weight to HP ratio, it loses against a base Corvette. Compare the 750 HP so called "Super Snake" to a 505 HP Z06... Yeah, I said Z06, not ZR1... And the Z06 will spank that puppy too. Having all that HP to move a car that weighs over 4000 lbs.... Stock for stock and with equal drivers, The Z06 wins every time.
From the article:
The reason for all this madness is the supercharged 5.4-liter V8 under the hood. The same base engine comes in the already powerful Shelby GT500 Mustang, and that one has a supercharger, too. So what’s the difference? The Whipple supercharger on the Super Snake adds 16 p.s.i. of boost, increasing the power output to a ridiculous 750 horsepower and 710 lb-ft of torque. If you felt the need, you could easily spin the tires from first gear all the way up to fourth. The Super Snake can do a standing quarter mile in 12 seconds flat, crossing the line at 120 mph. This is definitely impressive, but most drivers will have worn through their tires after 100 yards, so that kind of takes the fun out of it... Stock Z06's run in the lower 11's and trap at 123 MPH.
The 2010 Shelby GT500 Super Snake represents the qualities of a muscle car taken to the extreme. Unfortunately, that also applies to the downsides of muscle cars as well. For all their power and looks, muscle cars never really like taking corners. Yes, there have been huge advancements in suspension and steering technologies over the past few years, but American muscle has never really been able to compete with a low-slung European sports car on winding corners. The Super Snake takes this mild drawback and really puts it into the forefront. It is capable of immense speeds in a straight line, but if you want to safely handle a corner, you’ll have to mash the brakes or risk losing control while trying to hit an apex.
Go watch that youtube video again and even it being two years old, the storyline and ending is still the same today for the "Super Snake"....
Dollar for dollar, would I buy a "Super Snake" or a Z06??? Look at my signature for that answer.................but all I meant is the OP was asking for our thoughts on the new Mustang....not how they compare to Corvettes.But,you are correct. Stock vs stock there is no comparison performance wise. Has there ever been? Not that I can remember,and I've been a car nut for a very long time.
I often wonder how these comparisons are ever made....the Mustang is in competition with the Camaro,not the Vette. That's like comparing a Camaro to a FGT....makes no sense.
The bottom line is they make a $50k+ Mustang because there are diehard Ford fans that woudn't drive any Chevy under any circumstances.....and that goes both ways of course.
Burning Brakes
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From: Ex BX... Ex NJ... Hello CT!!! CT
My company president is one of those guysHe special ordered a new GT and he even bought himself a Breitling with a blue face to match the car's color. He is really excited about this new ride, as he should be.... Half the fun of special ordering a car is the wait.
Even though, I told him he is NOT allowed to ride in my car, after his new one arrives.... He's a good guy and I don't want to make him feel bad....
Le Mans Master
Joined: Mar 2002
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From: Concord NC
I find this whole argument/discussion to be hillarious.....we are a forum of Corvette fans, why bring other cars into the picture and then say stuff like you gotta respect this car, or this car is better. If any of us wanted a shelby or mustang over our Vettes, gues what we wouldnt be here on this forum. I am not being a hater but I am passionate about Corvettes and have always been, best or worst car, why do forum members have to defend our passion against other cars? If you come into my house and insult it, I am going to bite back, that is what the true Corvette fans are doing when someone pops on the forum and says other cars are great. There are a bunch of mustang forums, go to those to talk about mustangs, we talk about CORVETTES here, if you dont like, dont show up......thats my $.02 because I love the Corvette.....always have and always will.
Who insulted the Corvette in this thread?
There are threads on a daily basis here about how the Corvette stacks up to "X". I love my Z06,but truth be told there are better cars out there. Now, you have to spend well in excess of six figures to do it,but if cash is not an issue,there are better choices.
For the rest of us,we have the meanest,nastiest sumbitch you can buy for under $80k that will in most cases embarrass cars costing 3-4 times as much.
And if you have the funds for a ZR1.....well,there's only a handful of cars at any price that will outperform it.
NOW TRY AND BLAME THIS ONE ON ME!!!!
Le Mans Master
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From: Bucks Co. / outside Philadelphia PA
Safety Car
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From: Brighton Mi
I still think its pretty cool that they are hand assembled locally. The fact that they put their name on the motor says a lot. I would take more pride if I knew my name was going to be on a motor I put together.
Burning Brakes
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From: Brighton Mi
It's not hand built in the manner that each part is measured and hand fitted as in a NASCAR race engine. It is hand assembled. The parts are picked up from a bunch of parts and hand assembled together at a single station instead of the assembly line method used on a standard engine. The only GS engine that is hand assembled is the LS3 used in the manual transmission optioned coupes. They have the dry sump oiling system. Since they have some special parts that are different from the normal LS3, such as the crank, oil pumps, oil pan, etc, and are of a low volume nature, it made sense to assemble them where the LS7 and LS9(also dry sump equipped) engines are assembled, then screw up a faster assembly line with odd ball parts that are required with the dry sump that the wet sump doesn't have.
Don't misunderstand my idea, though, this is not a knock at all. Just smart business sense by GM to build an engine like this where it does not make sense to use an assembly line due to the total volume.
It's still very cool to know your engine was assembled and checked from start to finish by one person.
Last edited by thirtythird; May 12, 2010 at 05:39 PM.