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I took out my radar detector a few years ago when the local LEO's started using laser. The beam is so restricted that the car next to you can be tagged and your detector will not go off. Unlike radar that sends out a wide radio wave and measures the return signal, it soes not discriminate between vehicles.
When I am running late I take my old Toyota and blend in. No color of Corvette does that well.
Anyone who drives a performance car has to understand that if given the chance....with a whole list of cars, SUVs, even big trucks all going the same amount over the speed limit....that it will be sportiest of the sports cars that get stopped.
I mean, it's kind of an amendment to the constitution by now. Probably, if you'd been driving the limit with a line of cars behind you your ticket would have been for impeding traffic. You know, we regularly have posts here from guys who rant against the dreaded "left lane hogs" aka people who have the nerve to actually go the posted speed limit.
ps. I reread all the posts here and wanted to reinforce my occasionally stated feelings about "left lane hogs". A person has to consider their own interests regarding tickets and safety. Sometimes right lane traffic with big trucks etc may be going just under the posted limit. Passing a mess like this on the far left can be done several ways; you can speed up considerably for a short stretch to get out front and around the blockage; or you can stay at the limit or just a bit above to slowly pass; I suppose there's a middle way as well...well over the limit but not really fast so you're in the left lane for a time.
If you prudently decide to pass at a slow to moderate overtaking speed sure enough someone is going to pop up in your mirror right on your tail. These are the cowboys who don't fear points, tickets, law or anything else and know that THEY personally bought and paid for the left lane. Now, if a person lets him or herself be intimidated by these left lane racers and speeds up....and gets a ticket while the bully on your bumper sails away free....well, it's not smart to allow yourself to be intimidated. If I choose to pass on the left as a slow or moderate overtaking speed to avoid a ticket then that's it. Ride two feet off my rear end I don't care. Pound on your steering wheel I don't care. Flash your lights I don't care. But....I just might phone in a road rage report on you.
Have a nice day.
Last edited by OregonC6; Apr 21, 2011 at 07:17 PM.
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The radar will only pick up the closest vehicle, which is usually the vehicle in the travel lane. The vehicles in the passing lane (which may be traveling at a higher rate of speed) are effectively blocked from the path of the radar by the vehicles in the travel lane. If there are no vehicles in the travel lane, it will pick up the vehicles in the passing lane.
This is only true if everything about the vehicles are the same. The radar signal is a reflected signal, therefore the biggest reflecter is what is picked up by the radar gun. An extreme example would be a speeding semi following a slow motorcycle. The radar gun will pick up the semi's signal because so much more surface area is relecting the signal back at the gun.
Corvette's used to have a notoriusly low radar reflection, partly because of the fiberglass and a slanted radiator that tended to reflect the radar bean up, not back at the gun. Urban rumor had canny Corvette engineers ginning up a technical reason to justify the angled radiator to management, while knowing that the real reason was to reflect radar upwards.
Well, maybe the former LEO can explain how a traffic cop can pick one car out of a line of cars going the same speed.
The posters on here have a point. I mean is the LEO reading all those cars as they go by?
That's what LASER does, selectively pick out individual vehicles. Radar chooses the biggest image it indiscriminantly sees. That why LASER is so tough to defend against.
Speed enforcement is pretty much "selective enforcement." I watched a LEO in a school zone a few days ago while waiting at a Tire Kingdom for about 2 hours. Vehicles obviously busting the 15mph were sometimes ignored; others he raised the laser gun to clock. The pattern seemed to be nice, new higher-end cars and ricers. Junky worker trucks and anything commercial was left alone, as well as old cars with busted windshields and junkers. Also any vehicle out by itself was clocked and long lines of bunched-up cars were ignored (probably because it was too hard to tag one). Lazy, selective and not at all geared toward safety in the school zone IMO. The actual stops I saw were all nice newer cars.
BTW my daughter and son-in-law work in LE so I don't have any issues with "The Man"- just sharing an observation of revenue gathering by our local dept.
That's because the cops are generating money to fund their bloated pensions. People with the nice cars have more money than the people with junk cars. It's another unfair tax on the wealthy extracted by tax collectors posing as cops. Fight it, then write a letter to your local news crew and tell them the cops are doing unfair enforcement. A hidden news crew might bust the crooked department.
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Originally Posted by florida john
This is only true if everything about the vehicles are the same. The radar signal is a reflected signal, therefore the biggest reflecter is what is picked up by the radar gun. An extreme example would be a speeding semi following a slow motorcycle. The radar gun will pick up the semi's signal because so much more surface area is relecting the signal back at the gun.
Corvette's used to have a notoriusly low radar reflection, partly because of the fiberglass and a slanted radiator that tended to reflect the radar bean up, not back at the gun. Urban rumor had canny Corvette engineers ginning up a technical reason to justify the angled radiator to management, while knowing that the real reason was to reflect radar upwards.
John, I don't disagree with that at all. I was just trying to simplify things to make it clear. Your scenario would also depend on how closely the semi followed the motorcycle. If there was a significant distance between the two the radar would lock in on the speeding motorcycle before the semi. If they are closely grouped it would pick up the semi even though it's behind the motorcycle.
Nice to see they are targeting 7 & 8 over getting the tough criminals. However, for the ahole that was doing donuts the other day in front of my house and doing 4 or 5 full speed runs down through my neighborhood and the school zone, not so much.
Last year I forgot something that my attorney once told me: "fight every ticket" and I just paid it without thinking. Darn. (That was my first ticket in 44 years!)
This lawyer gave the best advice. Fight every "speeding" ticket. In most cases, just showing up will get the ticket reduced to one that has no points and is not reported to your insurance company. The major cost of a ticket is the insurance increase not the fine.
If you don't like current speed limits take it up with your state legislators because they are the ONLY ones that can modify speed limits. Stop blaming LE when you get snagged because they are simply doing their jobs. As for selective enforcement? ALL enforcement is selective because there aren't enough LEO's or time in the day to cite everyone that's speeding! What does that tell me? It tells me the VAST majority of drivers DO NOT like current speed limits and therefore generally exceed posted limits. Most people drive at the speed they are comfortable with... a few however are dangerous idiots and need to be cited!
The idea that late model expensive cars (ie vettes) are targeted is totally ridiculous. As a matter of fact if you look at stats you'll find cars like vettes actually get fewer tickets per units registered then most models. My ex was stopped TWICE for speeding with my vette and both times given a verbal to.. "Slow Down and nice car ma'am"!
The real problem is the morons that impose ridiculous speed limits especially on limited access highways.. thus INVITING the motoring public to speed. Next time you get stopped start thinking about the PEA BRAINS that caused the problem for you not the LEO simply doing his/her job.....
Next time you get stopped start thinking about the PEA BRAINS that caused the problem for you not the LEO simply doing his/her job.....
Nobody should fault a LEO for do his or her job. But if a LEO is stopping folks for doing single digits above the speed limit, I do hope they hold themselves to the same standards when they are driving their personal vehicles.
If you don't like current speed limits take it up with your state legislators because they are the ONLY ones that can modify speed limits. Stop blaming LE when you get snagged because they are simply doing their jobs. As for selective enforcement? ALL enforcement is selective because there aren't enough LEO's or time in the day to cite everyone that's speeding! What does that tell me? It tells me the VAST majority of drivers DO NOT like current speed limits and therefore generally exceed posted limits. Most people drive at the speed they are comfortable with... a few however are dangerous idiots and need to be cited!
The idea that late model expensive cars (ie vettes) are targeted is totally ridiculous. As a matter of fact if you look at stats you'll find cars like vettes actually get fewer tickets per units registered then most models. My ex was stopped TWICE for speeding with my vette and both times given a verbal to.. "Slow Down and nice car ma'am"!
The real problem is the morons that impose ridiculous speed limits especially on limited access highways.. thus INVITING the motoring public to speed. Next time you get stopped start thinking about the PEA BRAINS that caused the problem for you not the LEO simply doing his/her job.....
Then why do the cops only ticket for people trying to move things along faster? Why not ticket the imbeciles going slow in the fast lane or cutting over into traffic from exit lanes? I blame the cops for their moronic enforcement tactics. It's just as easy to ticket the retards slowing down traffic as it is to ticket people speeding. But that doesen't happen, does it? I blame the flatfoots.
Then why do the cops only ticket for people trying to move things along faster? Why not ticket the imbeciles going slow in the fast lane or cutting over into traffic from exit lanes? I blame the cops for their moronic enforcement tactics. It's just as easy to ticket the retards slowing down traffic as it is to ticket people speeding. But that doesen't happen, does it? I blame the flatfoots.
Pick off the darn semis that are in the 3rd of 4 lanes or old gradma that feels safer doing 10 under in the left lane. The OP wasn't even the fastest vehicle around which leads you to believe the LEO went after the fastest looking car.
Then why do the cops only ticket for people trying to move things along faster? Why not ticket the imbeciles going slow in the fast lane or cutting over into traffic from exit lanes? I blame the cops for their moronic enforcement tactics. It's just as easy to ticket the retards slowing down traffic as it is to ticket people speeding. But that doesen't happen, does it? I blame the flatfoots.
Perhaps states should consider giving REAL driving tests? More like the ones given in Europe? Anyone breathing can pass the driving tests given in the USA! Perhaps mandatory re-tests at a certain age to insure people can still drive safely? Oh no.. we can't do that now can we?
Perhaps your state doesn't cite people making unsafe lane changes but we do in Connecticut. We also cite people for driving to slow and impeding traffic flow! You seem to paint all LE with the same brush... be they state or local? What you probably consider moronic enforcement is most likely chapter and verse the way your idiot legislators wrote it. You should read the myriad of confusing and conflicting traffic laws in all states! Who do you suppose wrote them? I'll bet you it wasn't a LEO.......
No cops aren't perfect and I've never claimed such.... I can tell you after 25 years it's one of the more stressful and challenging public service jobs anyone can do for a living! If you DO NOT like your local/state traffic laws try electing people that will fix them. I usually hear most people only mention law enforcement when they get cited for breaking the law. I can personally say many many many motorists have been given a break by me when a citation was more deserved. I hear lots of whining and sniveling when someone gets cited but it's NEVER their fault.. it's always the evil uninformed officer.....
I'm also happy to report I haven't had to endure traffic enforcement duty for a long time...
i dont think anyone's arguing the leo doing their job...i think theres good and bad in all areas and careers...personally, i was pulled over a few months ago but was cited for something else...was i speeding?, sure and i actually told him that, even though HE told me he was driving in the opposite direction and "saw" me speeding which is why he pulled me over...he later gave me the ticket stating i was recklessly weaving in and out of traffic, INVALID (sunday afternoon at 3pm with no traffic around me whatsoever), and decided to impound my car on top of that...i was completely courteous and polite the entire time...this is even after he came to my driver side with his tazer gun out of his holster, and then having two additional leo's show up after...a bit much? i think so...
i have no problems admitting when im wrong but when someone "abuses" the power and/or takes it a little bit to an extreme, that's where i have issues...in my case, yes i got a lawyer and i ended up having to pay the court fees, impound fees, and 12 hours of "aggressive" driving school, no points....
My sons are always getting speeding tickets and what they do is call the Asistant DA where they got the ticket and get them to reduce to a non moving violation. They don't care, all they want is the money. It works for them everytime. But it does cost them extra sometimes.
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That's amazing. Not that they get it reduced, but they do it without a lawyer. That DA is a Lawyer, the judge was a lawyer. They normally like to support their own. Unbelievable.
I am a retired LEO and my advise is to always fight the ticket. If the officer does not appear you plead not guilty and request the judge to dismiss for lack of prosecution.
Best thing to do is get an attorney-will cost you the same in the end, but no points.
They schedule all an officers tickets on the same day and he gets a full days pay even if he's done by noon. Handle it at the DA's office.and don't give the tax collector a day off on you.
If you don't like current speed limits take it up with your state legislators because they are the ONLY ones that can modify speed limits. Stop blaming LE when you get snagged because they are simply doing their jobs. As for selective enforcement? ALL enforcement is selective because there aren't enough LEO's or time in the day to cite everyone that's speeding! What does that tell me? It tells me the VAST majority of drivers DO NOT like current speed limits and therefore generally exceed posted limits. Most people drive at the speed they are comfortable with... a few however are dangerous idiots and need to be cited!
The idea that late model expensive cars (ie vettes) are targeted is totally ridiculous. As a matter of fact if you look at stats you'll find cars like vettes actually get fewer tickets per units registered then most models. My ex was stopped TWICE for speeding with my vette and both times given a verbal to.. "Slow Down and nice car ma'am"!
The real problem is the morons that impose ridiculous speed limits especially on limited access highways.. thus INVITING the motoring public to speed. Next time you get stopped start thinking about the PEA BRAINS that caused the problem for you not the LEO simply doing his/her job.....
That's because the cops are generating money to fund their bloated pensions. People with the nice cars have more money than the people with junk cars. It's another unfair tax on the wealthy extracted by tax collectors posing as cops. Fight it, then write a letter to your local news crew and tell them the cops are doing unfair enforcement. A hidden news crew might bust the crooked department.
That's some crazy posting right there. You think the Judge cares what you were driving? Cops get their pension no matter what. I hate hillbilly thinking.
I find cops leave my car alone and profile the minorities in my neighborhood. What do you think about that?