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Old 05-11-2011, 01:15 AM
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In California with the strict smog laws, Z06. Out of the box it is a beast, and the resale will be better than a modded ls2/ls3. Especially if you don't care about a removable top.

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Old 05-11-2011, 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RedLs3
A zo6 is a great car but for the street there is NO and i mean NO difference between the ls3 vette except for the extra 65hp and torque the zo6 is making. Get a z51 vette and get a procharger. The eforce cant even compare. Procharger is better in every way.

Not to bash the z06 but theres a video on youtube comparing zr1 vs z06 vs z51 ls3 on the track by a professional driver. The z06 got the worst review with zr1 being first and z51 taking 2nd. Z06 got a harsh 3rd place review.

Bottom line get an ls3 c6 z51 or grandsport c6 and procharge it. Z06 and zr1 will be rear view specs.

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I agree about the reviews of the Z06, but I think that a decent set of replacement shocks and a set of Michelin PS2s will take care of 90% of the problems
Old 05-11-2011, 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 2010GSVert
Why not a Grand Sport with any FI? You get a better looking vette with all the body and looks of Z06, but the stronger more reliable ls3. Add any good FI and you will still be $ ahead of a Z06. With better performance and reliability.
-Because I didn't want a removable roof.
-Because I wanted an aluminum frame.
-The LS3 with a blower has whatever warranty you get from Edelbrock, if any. SC606 has 3/36. The LS7 is 5/100, and they are quite reliable.
-The Z06 will have better resale than a modded GS.
-How is a GS "better looking" than a Z06? Do you like the gills THAT much? Certainly it's not in the rims.
-The Z06 is a complete package designed from the ground up to be what it is. The GS is a base 'vette with rims and a body-kit.
-To get HUD in a GS, you need to go 3LT for 2011 and 2LT for 2012. The Z06 gets it at all trim levels. To me, this was the only item I needed beyond "base" equipment. Even a base 'vette is loaded out. I just wanted the HUD.
-The GS was made to look like a Z06. The Z06 IS a Z06.
-In my experience, the more prestigious the product you buy, the better a dealership treats you. Since I have all my stuff serviced at the dealership, this counts as a bonus for me. My service manager's opinion is "It's not just any corvette", and I got a personal tech, his cell #, and schedule maintenance through him. I like the VIP treatment of owning a more limited model vehicle.

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Old 05-11-2011, 02:02 AM
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Put the whole $12K on an LS3 to get lower payments or a quicker payoff to keep the homefires burning brightly. Then mod as funds become available. Family first and personal fun when you can squeeze it in. You'll still have a lot of fun with a LS3 and get to continually look forward to the next mod. The Z06 would be an endpoint and a loss if you hit a financial bump in the road.

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Originally Posted by 2010GSVert
the stronger more reliable ls3.
Both the LS3 and the LS7 are really great, bulletproof engines...why would the LS3 be 'stronger'?
Old 05-11-2011, 02:10 AM
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get a c6 Z51 - shop around sharp for a procharger - next throw on a SIC front end and a wide booty conversion and kill the competition. trust me - if u are on a budget you cannot argue that this route is cheaper and more powerful ...
Old 05-11-2011, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RedLs3
A zo6 is a great car but for the street there is NO and i mean NO difference between the ls3 vette except for the extra 65hp and torque the zo6 is making. Get a z51 vette and get a procharger. The eforce cant even compare. Procharger is better in every way.

Not to bash the z06 but theres a video on youtube comparing zr1 vs z06 vs z51 ls3 on the track by a professional driver. The z06 got the worst review with zr1 being first and z51 taking 2nd. Z06 got a harsh 3rd place review.

Bottom line get an ls3 c6 z51 or grandsport c6 and procharge it. Z06 and zr1 will be rear view specs.

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The reason the Z06 was given 3rd place was because of the harsh ride and because it was too loud. They stated it wasn't as pratical of a DD as the LS3.
Old 05-11-2011, 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cclive
Both the LS3 and the LS7 are really great, bulletproof engines...why would the LS3 be 'stronger'?
It has a stronger block. However, the LS7's block is just fine.
Old 05-11-2011, 08:50 AM
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Z06 is hard riding unless you drive on mainly smooth roads( had an 08Z that I replaced with a 2010 GS 6 spd manual coupe with LPE TVS 2300 forged bottom end 650 supercharger package). Since you don't mind the solid fixed roof & firm ride( I did) then a Z06 is a great street supercar. A blown LS3/LS2 C6 is also a great fun street car as well & if you put on a Maggie or Edlebrock positive displacement blower, you will have instant right now full torque ear to ear sh%$ eating grin going as soon as you get even slightly into the throttle. Great choices either way you go.
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Originally Posted by BSSN
-Because I didn't want a removable roof.
-Because I wanted an aluminum frame.
-The LS3 with a blower has whatever warranty you get from Edelbrock, if any. SC606 has 3/36. The LS7 is 5/100, and they are quite reliable.
-The Z06 will have better resale than a modded GS.
-How is a GS "better looking" than a Z06? Do you like the gills THAT much? Certainly it's not in the rims.
-The Z06 is a complete package designed from the ground up to be what it is. The GS is a base 'vette with rims and a body-kit.
-To get HUD in a GS, you need to go 3LT for 2011 and 2LT for 2012. The Z06 gets it at all trim levels. To me, this was the only item I needed beyond "base" equipment. Even a base 'vette is loaded out. I just wanted the HUD.
-The GS was made to look like a Z06. The Z06 IS a Z06.
-In my experience, the more prestigious the product you buy, the better a dealership treats you. Since I have all my stuff serviced at the dealership, this counts as a bonus for me. My service manager's opinion is "It's not just any corvette", and I got a personal tech, his cell #, and schedule maintenance through him. I like the VIP treatment of owning a more limited model vehicle.

All valid points
I have a GS 3LT NPP but if I could do it again I would have bought a Z06.
My roof panel makes annoying noises, I am aware ot the TSB, but really to me it is not acceptable that a 60K car has a removable roof panel that cannot be engineered better.
I'll get a C7 Z06 or ZR1 for my next car.

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Old 05-11-2011, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by RedLs3
Not to bash the z06 but theres a video on youtube comparing zr1 vs z06 vs z51 ls3 on the track by a professional driver. The z06 got the worst review with zr1 being first and z51 taking 2nd. Z06 got a harsh 3rd place review.
Lets be honest about the facts, it was not a professional driver, it was a professional journalist who is a driving enthusiast, big difference.

But his findings may likely echo a lot of average people who take their car to the mountain roads or novice track enthusiast. The Z06 is not easy to drive fast in its stock configuration, and will bite you badly if you dont know what you are doing. Almost all of the people on this board who brag about how their Z06 is made for the track, would wrap it around a guardrail or toss it in the gravel trap if they ever drove it hard.

The new Z07 package apparently fixes those issues. Whether its the tires or the brakes, or the F55, something seems to have made it much easier to drive hard than the stock Z06. So if you are buying a new Z06 and you are inexperienced driving cars at the limit, definitely spring for the Z07 package if you intend to drive it hard.
Old 05-11-2011, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by RedLs3
A zo6 is a great car but for the street there is NO and i mean NO difference between the ls3 vette except for the extra 65hp and torque the zo6 is making.
And the only difference between Rosie O' Donnell & Jessica Alba is their body & face..............
Old 05-11-2011, 09:21 AM
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I would go with the super LS3 and a sleeper look.
Old 05-11-2011, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RedLs3
A zo6 is a great car but for the street there is NO and i mean NO difference between the ls3 vette except for the extra 65hp and torque the zo6 is making. Get a z51 vette and get a procharger. The eforce cant even compare. Procharger is better in every way.

Not to bash the z06 but theres a video on youtube comparing zr1 vs z06 vs z51 ls3 on the track by a professional driver. The z06 got the worst review with zr1 being first and z51 taking 2nd. Z06 got a harsh 3rd place review.

Bottom line get an ls3 c6 z51 or grandsport c6 and procharge it. Z06 and zr1 will be rear view specs.

Flame suit on
Keep quoting those reviews and magazines. I've seen that review, and the Z06 got a "harsh" review, but was still faster hands down than the Z51 around the track.

Originally Posted by dovervold
Well, I can help you out. Had both. 1st, 2007 VY LS2 A6, headers, cam, A & A Vortech, installed and tuned by Doug Rippie. 550 rwhp. Great car, burn the tires any time any place. Added Z06 sway bars and Bridgestone RE11 rubber. Had several runs against my friends 09 stock Z, and it was close. I had lots of HP, he had traction and torque. Can tell you lot so HP and the A6 didn't work well, at all. The most common comment I ever had on this car was: is that a Z06?

Now, 2007 Z06, with only Borla exhaust and CAI. Without question, I would take the Z any time any day. The wide fenders, the look, the aluminum frame, the handling, the feel of the car. And it is just a superior car! And it is fast. Run to red line in the first three gears and you will SMILE! And whenever someone asks me, is that a Z06? I tell them, you can bet your *** it is!

And resale, the Z holds its value, really well. Both our great choices, so go ahead and have some fun:
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A Z06 is a far superior all around car to a base LS3; even with a supercharger.

Get a Z06. You will be much happier in the end.
Old 05-11-2011, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LTC Z06
Don't care about the targa top then get the Z06.
Old 05-11-2011, 10:12 AM
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I say that you opt for the Z06, but pay attention to the fact that the car IS difficult to drive at or near the limit. Mine still scares the crap out of me at times, and I've had it for 3 years. It takes a lot of time behind the wheel to learn how to properly drive a car with snap oversteer.
My Nitto INVO's helped quite a bit. My suspension is stock, and I plan on modding it sometime down the road.
Get the Z06 with the tough smog laws, I lived in Cali for 43 years, and don't miss those tough standards at all. In Washington, NO visual inspection, just OBD II. No CEL...PASS!

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Old 05-11-2011, 11:29 AM
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Obviously go with the Z06 if you don't care about the removable top...... The LS7 is one of the best engines ever made...

For me personally, I could not give up the open top so the E-Force would be better for me...

+ I Kind of prefer to be a little different.... A lot of Z06's around here.... A supercharged LS3 would be a little more unique...

Either way it will be a nice car....
Old 05-11-2011, 11:47 AM
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I wonder what the resale value of a Z06 would be compared to a LS3 car with an E-force both being the same model year and similar options?


My guess is the Z06 would win that one also.
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Originally Posted by bosco 08
I wonder what the resale value of a Z06 would be compared to a LS3 car with an E-force both being the same model year and similar options?
My guess is the Z06 would win that one also.
Yes, if you buy cars for resale value, all stock is best.

But if this guy has a 600hp mustang, he clearly does not care about keeping the car stock.


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