I'm actually considering doing the Natural Gas swap. I dont know if anyone has on here. I think the swap is like $7k and natural gas is $1.30. I heard you lose a little power but can gain some MPG. Haven't done alot of research on it yet. Got some friends that work for Southwest Engergy and they are having all the trucks in their fleet swapped over to NG.

 

I paid 4.27/gal last time I filled 'Z.....now I don't feel so bad.....

 

Around here, Shell is more money than Mobile. I use less Shell because of it. 93 is running around $4.29, and varies almost daily. All gas has 10% Ethanol in MA.

 

Some amount of Ethanol has been added to all gasoline since the 1970s because of the belief it would help reduce emmissions. However, it has gotten worser with current legislation such as The Energy Policy Act of 2005, The Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007 and the one I hate the most, the Volumetric Ethanol Excise Tax Credit, created in 2004 and plumped up in 2010, which subsidizes ethanol blending pretty heavily. Unless you are testing the gasoline for ethanol, I seriously doubt the gas you are purchasing is Ethanol-free. The pump not saying it has ethanol means its not required by state law TO SAY IT not necessarily that the gasoline doesn't have it. To be sure, buy an ethanol testing kit...

 

Good info! I wouldn't be surprised if government 'green' regulations eventually ruin the gas we use. Like when government recently regulated phosphates out of dishwashing detergent. Surprise...your dishes aren't as clean as before.

You'd be hard-pressed to even find an Exxon station where I live. There used to be many but the station owners all abandoned Exxon over-the-years and changed to 'lesser' brand names or just went out of business. It's hard to compete when the Q-Mart across the street sells significantly cheaper fuel. Even Shell stations are few and far between. All the gas coming into Tucson comes-in via two pipelines (one from Texas the other from California) with the only difference being the additives added by tanker drivers. Considering long distance piping go figure why Tucson generally has some of the cheapest gas in the country.

...and to think, I paid a small fortune to get 'cam lope.'

I don't recall the latest price for premium but regular gas was $3.57 a gallon here in Tucson yesterday.

 

 

Shell stations don't accept our credit cards (company) for some reason so we just plain can't use them at all.

In town here (Billings) I use our Exxon stations as they have 93 and everyone else is 91.

 

I am surprized how few people know that Citgo is owned by Venezuela under the leadership of Hugo Chavez, who is one of South America's leading despots. Personally, I refuse to do business with a company that can profit this dangerous nutjob! I have heard that they are shopping the company around for potential buyers, but at this time they are owned by the Venezuelan government, who has seized most of the oil fields and operations in the country several years ago.

 

Here in WI they are required to post if it contains ethanol or not. We have very few 93 octane no ethanol gas around here anymore. Most of the ethanol free stuff is 91 octane. I use -THIS- site a lot to find ethanol free stations.

 

LNG burns cleaner than gasoline. In fact, the rings will last longer with LNG, and there will be less contaminants in the oil.
BUT LNG has less BTUs than gasoline, so to produce the same power, you will need more of it, and supercharging or increased compression. Your MPGs will be less, and long trips would have to be planned around LNG fueling depots.

The entire fuel delivery system is based on moving and atomizing gasoline. Therefore, you'd have to change out everything from the tank to (and maybe including) the injectors. That also includes an LNG fueling point that may not fit the fuel door area.

Obviously, schemes like this are hatched when gas prices rise. Converting a fleet truck or city DD to LNG might make some sense, but it is inconsistent with owning a high performance sports car.

IMHO, if gas prices are prodding you to come up with Rube Goldberg schemes, may I suggest that time is better spent writing and calling your Congress critter:
(1) To end wholesale speculation on oil futures,
(2) Stop the Fed from devaluing the dollar further.

 

I think it's all in your head...

Not an expert, but I think you'd get better performance with ethanol, it's the damage to engine parts that is the problem with ethanol, not performance...

 

I say it all the time to my friends and they skeptically stare at me. "Gas prices aren't too high, the value of your dollar is TOO LOW. Blame the FED." I hate living in an economically ignorant society...

 

Yes, we would like to look at all the ratings.

 

so whatever happened to just plain gas ? what % of fuel are we using in our cars ,2% fuel 98% add.?: *****:

 

people wanted change...they got it

 

Caution
Ethanol has a lower combustion value ( aka enthalpy) then gasoline, roughly 77% of conventional gasoline, which means less power produced per gallon of fuel. At 5%, it is unnoticeable. However at 10% and soon, thanks to Barry Hussien, it will be 15% and you WILL notice a significant drop in performance. Lastly, it is also hydrophillic, which means it loves to absorb water. Internal combustion engine with excess water? This is also why the EPA recommends 15% ethanol gasoline shouldn't be used in "older" cars (produced before 2001). I might also implore you to ask a landscaper how well his lawnmowers are holding up thanks to Ethanol. Be prepared for a rant longer then mine...

Better performance from ethanol is apparently all in your head...

 

Using GasBuddy, premium gas is going from $3.95 to $4.59 in my local area, a 11 mile radius. Pays to look.

 

Already has. The poor folks in california only get 91 octane while out here on the east we get 93. We should all be getting leaded 100 octane for regular fuel.

Then the ethanol thats being added doesnt add power - only lowers it, especially considering the fact that they are maintaining the same octane levels that they had prior to going to ethanol.

They have also ruined oil. Passenger cars have standards set mandating use of lower zinc and lower phosphorus in the oil packages than in years past (and in the rest of the world).

I think all this nonsense should be optional- for the people who want to feel good about themselves for "helping the environment."

 

$3.61 a gallon for 93 octane before my $0.10 discount from Kroger. $3.51 with the discount.

 

Growing a food crop for fuel - that's real smart - NOT!

Some studies show that ethanol takes 30% more energy to produce than the ethanol contains. For instance, a study at Berkeley (Natural Resources Research, Vol. 14:1, 65-76), on the energy input-yield ratios of producing ethanol from corn, switch grass, and wood biomass, as well as for producing biodiesel from soybean and sunflower plants, concluded that corn ethanol requires 29% more fossil energy than the fuel produced; switch grass requires 45 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced; and wood biomass requires 57 percent more fossil energy than the fuel produced.

In 1997, the U.S. GAO found that the ethanol production process produces more nitrous oxide and other powerful greenhouse gases than does gasoline production. A decade later, Colorado scientists Jan Kreider and Peter Curtiss concluded that carbon dioxide emissions in the production cycle are about 50 percent higher for ethanol than for traditional fossil fuels.” [Source, Ethanol: Unintended Consequences]

It takes 1,700 gallons of water to produce one gallon of ethanol according to a Wall Street Journal report of a Cornell study. A study from Virginia Polytechnic Institute found that “the most water-efficient energy sources are natural gas and synthetic fuels produced by coal gasification. The least water-efficient energy sources are fuel ethanol and biodiesel.” Corn ethanol, produced in any quantity to make a difference in oil imports, will take massive amounts of land, destroy habitat and forests, and threaten our food supply

Finally, consider the rank stupidity of turning needed food production into fuel. Acres and acres of corn devoted to ethanol - driving up food prices - especially hard on the poor of this country. Unconscionable!