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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 05:56 AM
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I don't think you should have any trouble with the clutch. Pretty easy to operate in my view. As far as the cam goes, if it is a milder steet cam you should be ok there too. A test drive will answer questions about street friendliness.

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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rhcpfreak7
Would u say the suspension in the vette is significantly better than the stang? I realize the Shelby has better suspension than the gt, but still a live axle. That was the other thing that drove me nuts.
I would say the suspensiion is significantly better.I would say most aspects of the car are significantly better.
My point was you are talking about two areas that are not your cars strong points.The rattles as I mentioned before,but now you mention the live axle.
Depending what kind of driving you are planning,but since you are buying a modded car I can assume you like performance.The 05 has a rear end that is as fragile as eggs.It will not take the abuse that your Mustang rear end will take.
For handling the Corvette hands down,for hole shots,not so much.
Use your own judgement on how you plan to drive the car.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 08:17 AM
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After taking a look on the forums for problems with the 05's, im considering flipping the car. I figure this car has alot of extras, so if im getting it cheap at 26k, i can list it for sale at 30k right away. Ill drive the car and hope it doesnt break right away (also plan to take it to nearest dealership first thing, to check its GMVIS), and sell it when i can. Then i can get an 06 or 07.

Sound like a good idea?

I realize not all 05's are bad, but after all the info this forum and this thread specifically have given me, ive decided either an 05 that is stock and doesnt bare the dangers of the h/c kit, or an 06 without the new model year ghosts would be a better choice for my first vette. I realize the stock vette has plenty of power, and its better to know the car first then upgrade as finances permit.

The VIN ends in 00545 btw, that alone scares the crap out of me fixable or not.

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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 09:24 AM
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'forgiving', but...

The C6 clutch is not as easy to drive smoothly as some others, and I've owned more than 25 cars with manuals. The take up of the clutch is rather sudden, and the electronic throttle makes it more difficult to judge how much to feed in. That said, you'll quickly get used to it, and the clutch is pretty sturdy.

Enjoy.

I agree...in that I still thrill at the occasional, yet elusive, smooth 1st to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd shift sequence. However, the torque of this car is amazing, and you can literally start the car off in first with no throttle. Also, you have so much "pull" at your disposal, you can leave the car in a higher gear while decelerating and still have enough to get back on the gas when you need to.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 09:31 AM
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by rhcpfreak7
After taking a look on the forums for problems with the 05's, im considering flipping the car. I figure this car has alot of extras, so if im getting it cheap at 26k, i can list it for sale at 30k right away. Ill drive the car and hope it doesnt break right away (also plan to take it to nearest dealership first thing, to check its GMVIS), and sell it when i can. Then i can get an 06 or 07.

Sound like a good idea?
NO, not a good idea!!!!!!

26k for a modded 2005 coupe with 45k miles is not cheap and is pretty much top dollar so would not plan on making any money on reselling it. Mods add little to no value to a car and in some cases actually lower it!!!!

As far as taking it to a dealer to see what it needs and checking the GMVIS that always should be done prior to completing the purchase not after.

Being you haven't actually completed the purchase and are already having second thoughts about the car and buyer's remorse why would you go ahead and complete the deal?

You also could be facing the possibility of thousands more of unknown hidden expenses on top of what you are paying for the car because you really haven't had the car checked over prior to buying it. A modded car is even more of an unknown and more likely to have potential problems.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mforman42
I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'forgiving', but...

The C6 clutch is not as easy to drive smoothly as some others, and I've owned more than 25 cars with manuals. The take up of the clutch is rather sudden, and the electronic throttle makes it more difficult to judge how much to feed in. That said, you'll quickly get used to it, and the clutch is pretty sturdy.

Enjoy.


Agreed , I owned a GTO, a Chevelle SS, 350z, SRT4, etc etc. and the clutch -much easier on them...this is not the smoothest in the world but after owning mine now for 3 years I am getting the hang of it...of course I practice daily doing shifts ..just like Ranger suggests....LOL

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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 04:22 PM
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Okay, so he is coming down tonight, we are hitting the bank tomorrow morning. Im planning on having him meet me at O'Reilly chevy well before that appointment to get the GMVIS. Is that free to have done, and what am i looking for on the report?
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 04:30 PM
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Clutch is not as easy as most make it. Takes some getting used to. An 06 mustang's clutch is ridiculously forgiving, as are Jeep Wranglers, it is not quite the case with the vette, esp. with heads/cam, probably doesnt make it any easier. Sounds like a badass ride though, and after a few hundred miles it'll become second nature, as with any car!
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by rhcpfreak7
Okay, so he is coming down tonight, we are hitting the bank tomorrow morning. Im planning on having him meet me at O'Reilly chevy well before that appointment to get the GMVIS. Is that free to have done, and what am i looking for on the report?
Anything out of the ordinary – like the car is on it’s 3rd clutch in 4 years, or anything else suspicious. Just keep in mind that once out of warranty the owner may have things done outside the GM network, and those will not show up on the report.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 04:46 PM
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have an 05 Z51 good move on the stick, its a very easy clutch and you should have it down in no more then a day, a lot of torque so you can get into gear just letting off the clutch slowly and get a feel for where it grabs, great car! Congrats.
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rhcpfreak7
Okay, so he is coming down tonight, we are hitting the bank tomorrow morning. Im planning on having him meet me at O'Reilly chevy well before that appointment to get the GMVIS. Is that free to have done, and what am i looking for on the report?
The GMVIS should be free. Look for repeated service visits for the same item. If the car was in multiple times for the same thing that is not good.

O'Reilly has service open on Saturday from 7-1 and would be able to inspect the car also for you. One to two hundred spent to thoroughly inspect the car could save you thousands later. Also make sure that the title is clean with no salvage or other title blems and the mileage is actual before you complete the deal.

These are the recalls that should show up on the report if they have been done;

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...ls/results.cfm

These are the Service Bulletins related to the 2005 that may or may not have been done:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr...sb/results.cfm
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 05:01 PM
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More often than not, good advice can be painful...keep in mind such advice is intended to be helpful. From your description, the car sounds like a money pit waiting to happen. For openers, 2005 was the first model year for the C6 and it suffered from "growing pains." Don't take my word for it...do a search on this forum for "2005 problems" and you will learn about things like dead battery syndrome, steering wheel lock, etc. etc. Further, the car was set up for competition performance from square 1, coming with a Z51 package and then heads and a cam and a tune. You say the owner "babied the hell out of it." How do you know that? Were you along for the ride with him? Why would someone spend on heads and a cam and a tune which are serious engine mods...without wanting to experience the performance those mods provide? Which means the car was probably driven hard (like street racing, drag racing, autocross, etc.) By the way, with those engine mods, Chevy will deny warranty coverage in the event of any serious problems.

The fact of the matter is that the Corvette is a high performance car, even as it comes from the factory. If you really have a "must" need for speed, buy a later model (not '05) stocker which has less likely been beat on, and mod it yourself. But with about 400 horsepower in a car weighing 3200 lbs, the car all ready has more performance built into it than you will need on the street. And to answer your original question, the clutch on the C6 is easy to live with, and if not abused will give many miles of good service.

In any case, good luck with your purchase.
Well I think if we were talking about other model cars with that setup most would think that the owner beat the heck out of it to enjoy the mods. Being an 2005 late model year owner, I can tell you that midway through 2005 they got all the bad stuff fixed and sorted out, you actually got more with the Z51 package than other years and the DBS issue has been known to exist sporadically in other years as well - Jay Leno even talks about putting his on a trickle charger, lol, its not that big of a deal. However, regarding beating the car, I have 30k in mods to my vert and I can tell you I baby the hell out of it, why? Because if I let it out and beat on it I'D PROBABLY KILL MYSELF! I think with most Vette owners that do the mods they want to get more out of a great car. And modding the Vette is not only fun but makes it different. I think most Vette owners if not nearly all baby their cars. Remember some do the performance mods to enjoy "knowing" they have the power to come close to 200mph and really love the rush of being able to go from 50 - 120mph in 3 seconds lol.... Regarding the rear differential, mine is great, however your right I heard that the rear differential in the 2005 was weaker and in 2006 they changed it but I have a feeling it was the beginning model 2005's that suffered the most issues. I haven't had 1 problem with mine, after researching it found that mine was a later year 2005 model with a lot of the key concerns addressed. I have 600rwhp, supercharged and cam package and it completely rocks. I do have it on a battery tender when parked more than a week but I think a lot of Corvette folks do that.

It sounds like a great deal, you can get the car checked out and for 26k not that bad of a risk, however your right no warranty lol...

Good Luck man...
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Old Aug 5, 2011 | 05:03 PM
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The corvette clutch is about 50x easier than the clutch in the WRX I use to have, that clutch pedal actually made your left leg larger over time.
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 12:02 AM
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I didnt have the money to get a CARFAX earlier, so i just ordered one the night before the deal, lol.

Showed that the current owner of the car had a collision accident in late 2008.

My car had a collision at one point and they fixed it all back up with no problems, so i cant really say the accident bothers me AS LONG AS...

-the guy is 100% honest about the accident when i ask him if it had one.
-the guy has documents pertaining to the accident.
-he agrees to go to a dealer and check it out with me.

So i plan to ask him if its had one tomorrow morning, if he says yes i will ask all the details, request the documents (as i told him to bring ALL documents), and take it for a drive to confirm driveability. If he says it had no accident, haha, well thats about the time i tell him ill take it for $23k. Ill either get a cheap vette and have savings to fix whatever problems may occur, or send him back on the 4 hr ride home with his conscious eating at him. lol

Now, the GM inspection, that's going to cost me money on the spot?

Also, i think it would be good to speak to his insurance company for the details on the collision, sound right?

Id hate to have to expire my carmax offer on my stang and have to go back to looking at vettes that are too expensive and leave me no room for upgrades, but better that than to buy a piece of crap.

Its funny, before this info i had a few factors that couldve been good or bad. The fact they rarely drive it, the low price, the intensity of the mods...

One carfax and they all seem bad. hahaha
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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Ended up not buying that Corvette this morning. He denied the aforementioned accident so i put off the deal.

So now im looking at a different one i had looked at when i was in phoenix to see the original one. its on the forums, under 05 z-51 red posted by thehawkjr.

Car is a 2005 Z-51 Victory Red 1LT Coupe 6M
66k miles
windows are tinted and halo is blacked out
engine is stock
corsa touring midpipe (will def be replaced)
dual magnaflow pipes

The car is going for 23900 and he has a guy coming to look at it at that price atm, but im getting it for 21k and he is driving it down to Tucson for me if that falls through.

He is supplying a carfax, and he is a good guy, so im feeling pretty good about this deal.

I never knew getting a Corvette was such a stressful and changing process, i really respect all of you for the different trials you may have had getting yours.
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Originally Posted by rhcpfreak7
Ended up not buying that Corvette this morning. He denied the aforementioned accident so i put off the deal.
So now im looking at a different one i had looked at when i was in phoenix to see the original one. its on the forums, under 05 z-51 red posted by thehawkjr.


Smart move because if he would lie about something so easy to be able to find he probably lied about most everything else and especially the:

"barely drives it, babied the hell out of it."

A modded car with 45k miles was neither babied nor barely driven!

Do your homework on each and every car you look at including the GMVIS, Autocheck and Carfax reports. It can save you a lot of money and pain later. I have found after buying many Vettes that sellers lie and never take anyone on their word.

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Originally Posted by rhcpfreak7
Ended up not buying that Corvette this morning. He denied the aforementioned accident so i put off the deal.

So now im looking at a different one i had looked at when i was in phoenix to see the original one. its on the forums, under 05 z-51 red posted by thehawkjr.
You may want to check on a couple of problems thehawkjr posted that he was having with the car to see if they have been resolved:

AC control:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...king-help.html

Shifter:

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-c...lp-please.html
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Old Aug 6, 2011 | 03:51 PM
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Smart move because if he would lie about something so easy to be able to find he probably lied about most everything else and especially the:

"barely drives it, babied the hell out of it."

A modded car with 45k miles was neither babied nor barely driven!

Do your homework on each and every car you look at including the GMVIS, Autocheck and Carfax reports. It can save you a lot of money and pain later. I have found after buying many Vettes that sellers lie and never take anyone on their word.


Yeah, like i had said he was wishywashy throughout the deal i guess i was just too ready to get my vette that i excused it.

Im glad i didnt get stuck with the car, performance or not, and now im paying $30 less a month and will be able to afford the warranty.

btw, thats a clean JSB vette, im surprised i havent seen it around town.
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Hey everyone,

Been driving an 06 Mustang GT for about a year and a half now, and no surprise it is falling apart and rattles like a mother.

So ive decided to upgrade, and the only way up i could see was a 'vette.

So im buying an 05 Z51 coupe 6M, PR, 45k miles, w/ an Excelsior Stage 4 Heads and Cam kit pushing 500+hp on a custom tune for...

$26,000

Guy is an older contractor, barely drives it, babied the hell out of it. Its such a great deal, and i figure if im getting a z06 equivalent so i should get a manual. Problem is, i havent driven one for 2 years, and that was for a month on an 02 Audi TT.

My question is, how forgiving would you guys say the clutch is for a car like this? And, have any of you seen problems with heads and cams kits on these cars, i figure their safer than forced induction.

Let me know, and ill have pics up saturday or sunday after i buy.

Congrats on your find but as to your statement "I'm getting a ZO6 equivalent" your not even close trust me. Read the Sticys in the ZO6 section.
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