Very Spoiled
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Very Spoiled
Yesterday I went out with a friend who is looking for a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. We went and testdrove the cars as he finalizing his decision.
It was very surreal to me that he and the salesman were using words like fast, wicked, on-rails, ferocious, blazing, etc... every time they dropped a gear or hit the throttle.
As I was sitting in the passenger seat all I was thinking was slow, sloppy, loose, underpowered.
After owning many different itinerations of C6s, I feel very spoiled. Driving our cars everyday, we get very accustomed to the power and handling. But when you get into other so-called performance cars, you realize just how lucky we are to be driving Vettes.
There is just no comparison.
It was very surreal to me that he and the salesman were using words like fast, wicked, on-rails, ferocious, blazing, etc... every time they dropped a gear or hit the throttle.
As I was sitting in the passenger seat all I was thinking was slow, sloppy, loose, underpowered.
After owning many different itinerations of C6s, I feel very spoiled. Driving our cars everyday, we get very accustomed to the power and handling. But when you get into other so-called performance cars, you realize just how lucky we are to be driving Vettes.
There is just no comparison.
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Yesterday I went out with a friend who is looking for a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. We went and testdrove the cars as he finalizing his decision.
It was very surreal to me that he and the salesman were using words like fast, wicked, on-rails, ferocious, blazing, etc... every time they dropped a gear or hit the throttle.
As I was sitting in the passenger seat all I was thinking was slow, sloppy, loose, underpowered.
After owning many different itinerations of C6s, I feel very spoiled. Driving our cars everyday, we get very accustomed to the power and handling. But when you get into other so-called performance cars, you realize just how lucky we are to be driving Vettes.
There is just no comparison.
It was very surreal to me that he and the salesman were using words like fast, wicked, on-rails, ferocious, blazing, etc... every time they dropped a gear or hit the throttle.
As I was sitting in the passenger seat all I was thinking was slow, sloppy, loose, underpowered.
After owning many different itinerations of C6s, I feel very spoiled. Driving our cars everyday, we get very accustomed to the power and handling. But when you get into other so-called performance cars, you realize just how lucky we are to be driving Vettes.
There is just no comparison.
I agree. Had an SC281 Saleen convertible and went for a ride in a friends Z06. The difference in all phases was so dramatic, when I came back my Saleen looked.........different. Sold it 3 days later and went and bought a Vette. Plus, we have the wave.
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I like my vette but I know its not all that. Do a search and you'll see thread after thread of people changing tires, shocks, springs, sways, going coilover, adding intakes, tunes and etc... This says that these cars aren't all that from the factory either. They have tons of areas for improvements and that's not even getting into the interior materials and such. You are also comparing two cars that can seat 4 people to a 2 seater. Dollar for dollar, I think the Mustang is one of the best buys out there. JMHO
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I like my vette but I know its not all that. Do a search and you'll see thread after thread of people changing tires, shocks, springs, sways, going coilover, adding intakes, tunes and etc... This says that these cars aren't all that from the factory either. They have tons of areas for improvements and that's not even getting into the interior materials and such. You are also comparing two cars that can seat 4 people to a 2 seater. Dollar for dollar, I think the Mustang is one of the best buys out there. JMHO
The reality is that this is an enthusiast forum with roughly only 1,500 active contributing members at any one time. There are currently 190,010 C6 Corvettes built through 2011 model year production and a few thousand more from 2012. Mixed in those 1,500 active forum members are a combination of those that must replace anything OEM just because it is OEM and can't possibly be good. I've spent enough time talking to and listening to the likes of Andy Pilgrim and Johnny O'Connell talking about how great the Corvette is out of the box and what a value it is as they take them around the track at performance driving events and see what a good driver is capable of in a stock automobile to realize that it is a lot more "all that" then most people even realize. Lot's of folks will modify parts rather than modify the driver to learn to get the most out of the car while citing the cars weaknesses.
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I like my vette but I know its not all that. Do a search and you'll see thread after thread of people changing tires, shocks, springs, sways, going coilover, adding intakes, tunes and etc... This says that these cars aren't all that from the factory either. They have tons of areas for improvements and that's not even getting into the interior materials and such. You are also comparing two cars that can seat 4 people to a 2 seater. Dollar for dollar, I think the Mustang is one of the best buys out there. JMHO
Mod for Mod a vet (in MOST cases) always wins.
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That being said.. I agree with the open thread comment. I have raced LS3 500whp H/C camaros when I was on a tune only and pulled a car every time.... give me that power and game over to just about anything on the road </rant>
Corvette is one of the best platforms ever... Not even a 5.0 mustang would change my mind (unless there were naked ladies in the back seat)
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The vette is very different from the camaro/mustang. They dont compete with each other. For what they are, both are very good cars. I had an 09 LS3 vette, now have a 2011 Mustang 5.0. I would bet some of you would be suprised how good a car the new mustang really is. (Although I am going to be looking for another vette soon because I get bored easily). My 5.0 trapped almost 118mph with exhaust, cold air, and a tune. Pretty impressive for a car that you can get for 27k brand new (base model). I have yet to drive a new Camaro, but that interior in those cars just kills it for me.
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Remember however that this is also a car that "from the factory" with no additional modifications will turn a sub 8 minute lap around the Nurburgring with a base coupe and Z51 performance package and the ZR1 which will run that same lap in less than 7:20. They are more "all that" then you are giving them credit for.
The reality is that this is an enthusiast forum with roughly only 1,500 active contributing members at any one time. There are currently 190,010 C6 Corvettes built through 2011 model year production and a few thousand more from 2012. Mixed in those 1,500 active forum members are a combination of those that must replace anything OEM just because it is OEM and can't possibly be good. I've spent enough time talking to and listening to the likes of Andy Pilgrim and Johnny O'Connell talking about how great the Corvette is out of the box and what a value it is as they take them around the track at performance driving events and see what a good driver is capable of in a stock automobile to realize that it is a lot more "all that" then most people even realize. Lot's of folks will modify parts
rather than modify the driver to learn to get the most out of the car while citing the cars weaknesses.
The reality is that this is an enthusiast forum with roughly only 1,500 active contributing members at any one time. There are currently 190,010 C6 Corvettes built through 2011 model year production and a few thousand more from 2012. Mixed in those 1,500 active forum members are a combination of those that must replace anything OEM just because it is OEM and can't possibly be good. I've spent enough time talking to and listening to the likes of Andy Pilgrim and Johnny O'Connell talking about how great the Corvette is out of the box and what a value it is as they take them around the track at performance driving events and see what a good driver is capable of in a stock automobile to realize that it is a lot more "all that" then most people even realize. Lot's of folks will modify parts
rather than modify the driver to learn to get the most out of the car while citing the cars weaknesses.
Very true. However, most vettes will never have a single tire on a track EVER so it may be nice to be able to say that, it as about useful as the average SUV owner spewing out their ground clearance when they will never take it off-roading anyway.
I know I will be pounced on for my views but im ok with that. I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I own a vette nor do I look down my nose at others that don't have vettes. I dont think that just because i bought one means its the best because i ONLY buy the best and I didn't save my entire life to get one either. I bought one because I liked the style and the power that it offered plus it was american made (and we were in trouble as a country) Dollar for dollar it is the best buy when it comes to sports cars. With that said I don't go comparing it to mustangs or camaros anymore than I compare it to land rovers and mini vans.
Apples to apples is the only way to compare things and that's the point I'm trying
to get across. Mustangs and camaros are muscle cars and should be compared to other muscle cars. The fact that the mustang was compared to the BMW M3 last year only confirms that the mustang has come a long way and that makes it, without a doubt, the best bang for buck in that class.
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A friend of mine parted with his mustang for ss camaro. The stang was auto and ss is manual. He had the california appearence pkg on stang w/intake tune. He presently modding the ss. He likes the ss better he said. I askef him why he did mot get a Vette? He said the Vette was 10-12k more. What more do you get for your money? Both have LS3? The ss is heavier. Seems to me its all just a personal choice in cars.
Gotta love the Vette though for what it is. IMO bedt bang for buck out there. Especially the "Z" models.
Gotta love the Vette though for what it is. IMO bedt bang for buck out there. Especially the "Z" models.
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Very true. However, most vettes will never have a single tire on a track EVER so it may be nice to be able to say that, it as about useful as the average SUV owner spewing out their ground clearance when they will never take it off-roading anyway.
I know I will be pounced on for my views but im ok with that. I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I own a vette nor do I look down my nose at others that don't have vettes. I dont think that just because i bought one means its the best because i ONLY buy the best and I didn't save my entire life to get one either. I bought one because I liked the style and the power that it offered plus it was american made (and we were in trouble as a country) Dollar for dollar it is the best buy when it comes to sports cars. With that said I don't go comparing it to mustangs or camaros anymore than I compare it to land rovers and mini vans.
Apples to apples is the only way to compare things and that's the point I'm trying
to get across. Mustangs and camaros are muscle cars and should be compared to other muscle cars. The fact that the mustang was compared to the BMW M3 last year only confirms that the mustang has come a long way and that makes it, without a doubt, the best bang for buck in that class.
I know I will be pounced on for my views but im ok with that. I don't have a chip on my shoulder because I own a vette nor do I look down my nose at others that don't have vettes. I dont think that just because i bought one means its the best because i ONLY buy the best and I didn't save my entire life to get one either. I bought one because I liked the style and the power that it offered plus it was american made (and we were in trouble as a country) Dollar for dollar it is the best buy when it comes to sports cars. With that said I don't go comparing it to mustangs or camaros anymore than I compare it to land rovers and mini vans.
Apples to apples is the only way to compare things and that's the point I'm trying
to get across. Mustangs and camaros are muscle cars and should be compared to other muscle cars. The fact that the mustang was compared to the BMW M3 last year only confirms that the mustang has come a long way and that makes it, without a doubt, the best bang for buck in that class.
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I'll tell you what though, got to take a ride in the new mustang 5.0 with a customer that just bought one and I'm VERY impressed. I'd love to blow one and see what it could do.
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They run mid 10's all day long with a TVS supercharger. Some guys have gone as fast as 9.7x's with the stock motor and stock automatic transmission.
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I like my vette but I know its not all that. Do a search and you'll see thread after thread of people changing tires, shocks, springs, sways, going coilover, adding intakes, tunes and etc... This says that these cars aren't all that from the factory either. They have tons of areas for improvements and that's not even getting into the interior materials and such. You are also comparing two cars that can seat 4 people to a 2 seater. Dollar for dollar, I think the Mustang is one of the best buys out there. JMHO
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I like my vette but I know its not all that. Do a search and you'll see thread after thread of people changing tires, shocks, springs, sways, going coilover, adding intakes, tunes and etc... This says that these cars aren't all that from the factory either. They have tons of areas for improvements and that's not even getting into the interior materials and such. You are also comparing two cars that can seat 4 people to a 2 seater. Dollar for dollar, I think the Mustang is one of the best buys out there. JMHO
To say the Corvette "isnt all that" because a bunch of guys talking on the internet who are either: bored, have one too many credit cards or just want their car to be/look different.. is just a crazy statement to make. I'd bet good money that 90-95% of the people changing the 'performance' items on their Vette will never use the car on a racetrack of any kind. Thats too include those supercharging the engine. With all of these big-buck upgrades.. the speed limit on the street is still 65mph. In other words, these performance enhancements most people are doing is more of a personalization thing.. than someone truly seeking a better laptime or E.T.
Maybe you should look at professional reviews & comparison that have shown how well the stock C6 (especially the stock Z06) performs with a professional driver, on a race track, before calling it "not all that". It matches or betters the performance of pretty much any other car costing up 2-3x of its MSRP. The Mustang cannot make the same claim. If you dont think spending just $40-65K.. and getting that type of performance is impressive, then you should have bought a Bugatti Veyron instead of a Vette.
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