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which brakes are better? base C6 or Brembo off Camaro SS?

 
Old 12-23-2011, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by redzone View Post
I really appreciate all your input on this forum,but with all due respect you are mistaken in this case.

Stolen from How Things Work.....

Bigger isn't necessarily better when it comes to all things automotive. But when talking about brakes, size generally does matter.

That's because braking performance depends in large part upon how much surface area the brake pads have to bite into. Larger pads and larger brake discs make for shorter stopping distances.


60-0 stopping distances:
ZR1 ~96 ft
Z06 ~106 ft
standard C6 ~114 ft
Tire size and compound also play a large part in the formula..
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Old 12-23-2011, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by redzone View Post
I really appreciate all your input on this forum,but with all due respect you are mistaken in this case.

Stolen from How Things Work.....

Bigger isn't necessarily better when it comes to all things automotive. But when talking about brakes, size generally does matter.

That's because braking performance depends in large part upon how much surface area the brake pads have to bite into. Larger pads and larger brake discs make for shorter stopping distances.


60-0 stopping distances:
ZR1 ~96 ft
Z06 ~106 ft
standard C6 ~114 ft
Originally Posted by pettvette View Post
Tire size and compound also play a large part in the formula..
Looks like weight of the vehicle also. I am really surprised that there isn't a bigger difference between standard and Z06 brakes than 8 ft considering the standard is heavier with smaller brakes.

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Old 12-23-2011, 11:50 AM
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Data for when the argument turns to weight being a factor in different C6 models' braking ability. All figures are for curb weight.

2010 Corvette Coupe
3208 lbs.

2010 Corvette Convertible
3221 lbs.

2010 Corvette Grand Sport Coupe
3311 lbs.

2010 Corvette Grand Sport Convertible
3289 lbs.

2010 Corvette Z06
3175 lbs.

2010 Corvette ZR1
3333 lbs.
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Old 12-23-2011, 12:41 PM
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OK so.. Again.. Someone asked.. DO THEY FIT A VETTE?
Got me curious too..
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As my friction engineer will tell me when I ask about different braking systems.
"If you want to stop better, buy a better tire." All braking systems are capable of locking the rotors. You can have the best caliper and rotor made but if you are using the cheapest tire you will not stop as well as the system was designed for. Before spending money on a new braking system try buying a better tire.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BC427 View Post
As my friction engineer will tell me when I ask about different braking systems.
"If you want to stop better, buy a better tire." All braking systems are capable of locking the rotors. You can have the best caliper and rotor made but if you are using the cheapest tire you will not stop as well as the system was designed for. Before spending money on a new braking system try buying a better tire.
That explanation along with the brake fade explanation (due to repeated hard stops) by Bill Dearborne make the most sense to me.

BTW - if you've ever had your brakes fade on you - let me tell - it will scare the crap out of you !
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Old 12-24-2011, 11:02 PM
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I was just wondering because the Camaro is a cheaper car and I figured the base Vette would have at least the same quality as the inferior Camaro. Both Chevy and Dodge love to throw around the Brembo name but you dont hear it on their Vette.

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Old 12-25-2011, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by VADR_H8R View Post
I was just wondering because the Camaro is a cheaper car and I figured the base Vette would have at least the same quality as the inferior Camaro. Both Chevy and Dodge love to throw around the Brembo name but you dont hear it on their Vette.
maybe because the vette brakes are good enough to do the job. for most people, under most circumstances. but not all.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by C6ToGo View Post
Data for when the argument turns to weight being a factor in different C6 models' braking ability. All figures are for curb weight.

2010 Corvette Coupe
3208 lbs.

2010 Corvette Convertible
3221 lbs.

2010 Corvette Grand Sport Coupe
3311 lbs.

2010 Corvette Grand Sport Convertible
3289 lbs.

2010 Corvette Z06
3175 lbs.

2010 Corvette ZR1
3333 lbs.
I have a 2010 gs and my door panel says 3800 lbs i dont get it.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:27 AM
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I got the gs just because of this issue..I had a g35 with brembo's.I loved the brakes..The camaro had nicer brakes than the 40+ thousand vette with those little brakes. They are cheap rakes on the camaro but look better.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:46 AM
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The Brembo's on the camaro are most certainly better then the base C6/c5 brakes. And in my oppinion better then the PBR calipers on the Z/GS. I as well have been boggled by the fact that GM didnt upgrade the brakes on the base C6 when they outfitted the Camaro with those things. Its kind of a slap in the face to corvette owners in my eyes. People by the corvette over the camaro because its a superior car. You think that would include the brakes as well. The answer to this question, GM is cheap and didnt want to spend the money to make the brembo's fit the corvette as the C6 platform is (hopefully) in its last years and as far as investment into the platform is concerned it just isnt worth it. Personally I think the base car should have the same brakes as the Z, there not that good anyways and are problematic under regular hard use as well. The grand sport only got them because that entire car was just a robbing of the current parts bin, nothing new was developed for it that I know of other then the front fenders being a bit different. You can guarantee you will see Brembo's on the C7 though. Those crappy PBR's are history.

Hopefully the brembo's we see on the C7 dont dissapoint. These cars NEED better brakes from the factory.
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The zr1 has very nice brakes. They look like my friends brembos on the gtr just with corvette on them. I'm not crazy about the ones on my gs they look like cheap cast metal. The zr1 has smoother finish and better paint job.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:59 AM
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Brembo - Stop you like the hand of God...
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The PBR's are used by countless C5/C5Z/C6 guys on the track, including me logging on 30+ track days on my C6 Z51, before moving to the C6Z with not a hint of fade with race pads (no locking of brakes needed either).

I would agree with another member who said sometimes the factory installed Brembos aren't up to par with the aftermarket units. Having said this, it it obvious the GM engineers, and some of us think the PBR's are more than capable with performance.

It does bum me out, nonetheless, the Camaro gets better "name" calipers than the vettes.
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Originally Posted by 986_C6 View Post
The PBR's are used by countless C5/C5Z/C6 guys on the track, including me logging on 30+ track days on my C6 Z51, before moving to the C6Z with not a hint of fade with race pads (no locking of brakes needed either).

I would agree with another member who said sometimes the factory installed Brembos aren't up to par with the aftermarket units. Having said this, it it obvious the GM engineers, and some of us think the PBR's are more than capable with performance.

It does bum me out, nonetheless, the Camaro gets better "name" calipers than the vette.
But they have the name Brembo stamped on them, they have to be better.
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Originally Posted by redzone View Post
I really appreciate all your input on this forum,but with all due respect you are mistaken in this case.

Stolen from How Things Work.....

Bigger isn't necessarily better when it comes to all things automotive. But when talking about brakes, size generally does matter.

That's because braking performance depends in large part upon how much surface area the brake pads have to bite into. Larger pads and larger brake discs make for shorter stopping distances. 60-0 stopping distances:
ZR1 ~96 ft
Z06 ~106 ft
standard C6 ~114 ft
Um, with all due respect, YOU my friend, are mistaken in this case ...
The "base" C6 has a smaller footprint d/t the smaller tire width compared to the Z06 and the ZR1.
Vehicle footprint and weight is a much greater factor than the caliper would be.

Not as easy as looking up a couple of figures on the web

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They have Brembo upgrade kits for the Camaro SS that cost around $5k or so, that is the true Brembo. GM is using the name to sell kind of what GM does with Bose and its stereos.
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Originally Posted by phileaglesfan View Post
They have Brembo upgrade kits for the Camaro SS that cost around $5k or so, that is the true Brembo. GM is using the name to sell kind of what GM does with Bose and its stereos.
Noooo....you didn't just tell me my Bose isn't as good as the Bose in other big names! Now I am really disappointed.

I guess if we can make the argument about the factory Brembos, then the same can be said with factory Bose.
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Originally Posted by AORoads View Post
hard to tell. my understanding is that the brembos on factory-cars are not the same as aftermarket brembos. it all depends on what was the specs written and what was achieved in production.


I have heard that a few times.
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Originally Posted by MKenM View Post
Let's see in a standard GS 60 - 0 in 100 Ft. If you're not tracking it who needs to stop in a shorter distance?

It's NEVER how fast YOU can stop it the guy behind you that you have to worry about.
Very True!!!
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