Need some help pricing new diffusers
I understand its costly to actually manufacture one, but I'm afraid we need a little more motivation than good faith unfortunately
I understand its costly to actually manufacture one, but I'm afraid we need a little more motivation than good faith unfortunately
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To be fair to the site: You can not purchase a product directly from us. If you want any of our carbon products, you can only do it through Pete (AKA: Quik ZO6)
Now, that having been said...
Not only can't we compete with a sub $400 part, we simply won't.
What you're looking at are knock offs of knock offs, often made of full urethane, which is incredibly inexpensive to manufacture (especially when you're simply replicating someone else's work) or straight Fiberglass, occasionally using a hybrid carbon/ low-quality fiberglass system, as well.
So, while we can certainly appreciate everyone's desires to "get a good deal", some times that great deal, well.... isn't.
Hey, we're enthusiasts, too. We've personally got a 5th Gen SS/RS Camaro, as well as an SN95 Mustang, and we've formerly stabled an E60 M5 BMW, a supercharged Lotus Exige, and others...
So believe me when I tell you: none are more thoughtful of their purchases than we are, when it comes to modding.
I don't know about you guys, but price alone isn't my sole deciding factor. Sure, it's on the list, but when we look at what goes into the manufacturing of a particular part, you basically have two options, which suddenly make this a VALUE proposition.
Simply, has the part I'm considering used materials, and been manufactured to, a standard that is up to my own high-personal standards?
Is it exceptional enough for me open my wallet, make a purchase, and be proud it's on my car?
So, what we have to do is make a decision:
- Are we willing to save a few bucks on something that's lower quality, while bypassing American made products, for the sake of putting a part on my car cheaply?
- Are we willing to pay a fair price for a home-grown product, of incredibly high quality, that is uncompromising in both it's approach to quality craftsmanship, as well as that of the use of quality materials?
Personally, I'd rather have NOTHING than have cheap junk on my car.
There's a reason I don't put Altezza tail lights on my car: they're cheaply made, generally unpleasing to the eye, seldom fit correctly, and wear out in an incredibly short amount of time.
This is true with ANY knockoff or lower end product on the market today. You can't expect $1600 quality for 25% of the price.
Not to put too fine a point on it, but there's a REASON it's $1600. Believe me when I tell you; we all WISH we could arbitrarily tack on the price for which we WANT to sell something and actually have it sell.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of math, science, and calculating built in to make it all work.
For example: the amount of actual carbon fiber and materials that goes into our competitor's valence (not to be confused with a diffuser, which is is not) is more than that of the total cost to produce the above 'urethane replica.
Think about that for a second.
Before we get to account for a single minute of labor, nor the nearly $2000 it costs to make the original molds from which the parts will be produced, we've exceeded the cost of most of your price points.
As my business partner John always says, "What we're doing, at some point, is removing a $500 part from our cars, to replace it with one that's $350."
This DEVALUES our vehicles.
So, here at G3 Composites, LLC, we're completely energized by both your enthusiasm and your desires to own some carbon fiber products. You guys are the reason we show up to the shop every morning.
We can use the piece Pete mentioned as an inspiration, but we're not simply going to buy one, replicate it, then sell it to you at a cheaper price. It hurts everyone in the industry when we allow that stuff to go on.
What we can do is use it as inspiration, create a completely new product that improves on their basic design, in that ours will mount to your C6 using the factory mounting points and without additional modification, while retaining your factory back up lights, and have an incredibly gorgeous carbon fiber weave with minimal distortion/incredible clarity, all at a significant savings over that of the $1600 piece everyone seems to like.
All with a limited lifetime* of original ownership warranty against manufacturing defect. (We don't know of anyone overseas or here in the US willing to offer that level of after-sales support.)
As Pete said: we can deliver that product for under $1000 (plus shipping), but if an ability to buy it at nearly 40% off the price of other products available on the market, again; with more features you want, then maybe some of us simply don't really want carbon fiber.
So, maybe some of you can't afford it, for others it's not in the budget, or maybe the rest of us flatly don't want it at any price, but that's okay.
What we can do is offer you some options:
We can make available a full carbon version for $999 plus actual shipping. (We never mark up our shipping/handling costs to generate additional profit.)
We can make available a hybrid version, using fewer layers carbon than the above valence, layers of high-grade (read: not cheap, like some of the other guys) woven fiberglass cloth, and a less expensive clear coat to finish it for $799.
Lastly, we can offer a full fiberglass version for $699. It will look exactly the same as the above options, but contain no carbon fiber whatsoever, but will be finished in automotive primer, ready for paint upon delivery.
If we're not the right company for you, we completely understand and sincerely appreciate the opportunity to even DISCUSS us as an option. If you don't want something we offer today, hopefully you'll see our products around enough to give us your business on another product in the near future. (Again, please contact Quik ZO6 for pricing and payment options.)
In fact, we've sold a few sets of our door sills here and the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. They're always available through Quik ZO6.


Thanks again for indulging us in the discussion of this project. If you have any questions, please let us, or Quik ZO6, a line. We're always here to help.
Happy Motoring,
Alan Eosso
Owner: G3 Composites, LLC

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Thanks for posting the pix!! Looks great!!
Is this possible?
Is this possible?
Also I have access to Pro/Engineer a 3D CAD solid/surface program with 15+ years experience. If you jhave a 3D scan (IGES, STEP...etc) I can manipulate....

But truth be told, I have been waiting on G3 to supply the carbon fiber for my upper door panels (to another vendor on this forum) for 5 months now, and still nothing. They have been close to being done now for months. So for them to post a 10-15 day turn around time is kind of funny to me.
I have seen their work before and it is very nice, but 5 months and counting...it's crazy. Maybe the completion of the door panels is not as much of a priority to them as this will be. Anyways, not meaning to **** anyone off...but I am very disappointed in how long this process has taken.
Just know what you are getting into.
But truth be told, I have been waiting on G3 to supply the carbon fiber for my upper door panels (to another vendor on this forum) for 5 months now, and still nothing. They have been close to being done now for months. So for them to post a 10-15 day turn around time is kind of funny to me.
I have seen their work before and it is very nice, but 5 months and counting...it's crazy. Maybe the completion of the door panels is not as much of a priority to them as this will be. Anyways, not meaning to **** anyone off...but I am very disappointed in how long this process has taken.
Just know what you are getting into.
But truth be told, I have been waiting on G3 to supply the carbon fiber for my upper door panels (to another vendor on this forum) for 5 months now, and still nothing. They have been close to being done now for months. So for them to post a 10-15 day turn around time is kind of funny to me.
I have seen their work before and it is very nice, but 5 months and counting...it's crazy. Maybe the completion of the door panels is not as much of a priority to them as this will be. Anyways, not meaning to **** anyone off...but I am very disappointed in how long this process has taken.
Just know what you are getting into.
Now, before I get into the details of the how's and why's, I'd like to stand up and say "It's my shop, so it's my fault and my responsibility." The people we hire, whether internally employed or as outsourced service providers, are ultimately operating under my watch. So again, I accept full responsibility for the failures we've encountered, and you, as clients, have endured.
I can't thank you (guys) enough for the patience and support.
That having been said, we hit the trifecta for trouble for a brief period: solid growth, separation of a poorly performing partner, and external supplier breakdowns.
As some of you have pointed out (and I appreciate): we've been working hard at building a reputation as a provider of a high quality part. So much so that we've often found ourselves saying, "You'll be mad because we're slow long before you're mad that you got a piece of crap from us." What started out as an anecdotal "ha ha" turned into our day to day struggles. (Who knew it would become prophetic?)
Essentially, we've been in pretty good shape with regard to client interest. Where the train comes off the track is in having had to push my (now former) partner out of the business and immediately setting to clean up the messes caused by the near fatal marriage. For all intents and purposes, I was running the business side of the house and relying upon him to manage manufacturing. What I didn't realize until it was almost too late was just how little work was actually being done, all while being fed the "we can do that: no problem" line again and again.
What happened was we got to a point that we were so buried in work and so far behind it LITERALLY almost put is out of business. (consumption of resources can't ever outpace the replacement of those resources, which is exactly what was going on.) I'm not a guy who leaves anyone hanging, so I did two things to flip the ship back over:
1. I fired my partner and restaffed with competent and hard working employees.
2. I dug into my own pockets, not the business funds (Since there were none at that point), and restructured the company based upon improved skill, hard work, and greater efficiency.
In doing so, I was able to clear out almost every bit of slow business I'd been saddled with as a result of under-performance and over-promising.
To wit, your project is essentially the last of the last of the last of the parts that got sucked into the vortex of swirling destruction. (Ok, I'm overstating here. Yours is one of the last of the parts that have been slow to ship. Once yours, the aforementioned diffusers, a spoiler project that's 99% finished, and a front splitter for our ZL-1 Camaro crowd starts to ship, we're right as rain.)
The one thing I want to make sure everyone is aware of is the fact that when you call, I always answer. We're not in danger of going out of business, we're not closing the doors, and we're actively working on everything we have on the books.
I'm not running from anyone. It's been slow, for sure, but everyone gets their parts: period.
So, now that I've put that out there, I need to address one final failing we've experienced: outsourced resources.
For the lions share of our existence, we were clear coating in house. It offered us an opportunity to completely control the quality, as well as offer a low cost solution for clear coat. With my (former) partner leaving the business, he took with him the one thing I don't have an eye for: clear coating ability. Sure, I'm competent when it comes to some of the smaller pieces, but beyond a certain point I'm just making things worse. So, I began outsourcing.
...And for the last four or five months we've been through at LEAST as many clear coaters. Every one has done the same thing: promised quality and delivered an invoice.
Florida, it seems, lives by the motto of "sunny weather, shady people" so we've struggled MIGHTILY to get the clear coat needs/issues resolved.
Which takes us to where we are now. Your parts have been done for more than a month. Three clear coaters and 5 attempts to get them right, I think I've FINALLY found a guy that will work out for us over the long haul. (Until I can justify and afford bringing a guy in-house full time.)
Here are the results (And this is BEFORE the final coat of clear, sanding, and then polishing.)


They'll be in a box and on their way back today.

One last thing: Have you guys all noticed how there aren't a lot of carbon fiber companies that have been around for more than XXX number of months or years?
The reason is how incredibly time consuming the process is if you aren't disciplined, often combined with pricing that's below the actual cost to manufacture. (Bred by a desire to move product and get your name out there.) I now completely understand how so many good companies have gone under.
So, I realize we've been slow and we're CERTAINLY not the cheapest game in town, but I can promise you this: we're almost through the re-org. I know it's probably not fair of me to ask, but if you guys can hang in there just a few minutes longer, we've just about got the kinks worked out of this thing.
And once we do, we're going to seriously rock some socks off with what we've got in the works.
Things like this:


And this:


And more importantly:


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