Is the Grand sport option worth it?
08-01-2013, 06:45 PM
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It's awesome that you own a ZR1! It is the next Vette I'll acquire in about 7 years. It is a nice goal to have. For now, I'm more than happy with my GS and, I still get excited when I know I'm about to drive it, or that it is simply sitting in my garage.
08-01-2013, 08:05 PM
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St. Jude Donor '13-'14-'15-'16-'17-'18-'19-'20-'21-'22-'23
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08-01-2013, 08:39 PM
#324
Le Mans Master
We could take the political conversation to PR&C, where I'm certain we'd have much in common, but I've reached the point where I can no longer discuss this current administration rationally, so I'm just not going to aggravate myself anymore.
08-01-2013, 09:32 PM
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Thank you for the compliment on my car.
We could take the political conversation to PR&C, where I'm certain we'd have much in common, but I've reached the point where I can no longer discuss this current administration rationally, so I'm just not going to aggravate myself anymore.
We could take the political conversation to PR&C, where I'm certain we'd have much in common, but I've reached the point where I can no longer discuss this current administration rationally, so I'm just not going to aggravate myself anymore.
08-01-2013, 09:38 PM
#326
Melting Slicks
Where I used to live some people were raised on welfare and housing assistance and think it's an entitlement...very sad that these kids have parents who are content being spoon fed with no dignity, goals or self pride...I'd rather live in a shack that I pay for than a nice house I don't...34 yr old working man's rant over...
08-01-2013, 09:47 PM
#327
Team Owner
You got me. haha
No, it doesnt. Lots of us buy our cars new and hit the track with them. Thats the reason why we buy them. There are fast and slow tracks, there are also calculations for DA that help level the playing field. I am sorry that the base car has posted the fastest times. Regardless, its done it.
He has a Z51. He makes sure and rubs that in to me all the time.
Same driver same course in both cars is more important than random forum guys racing on different tracks, where one driver can be better than the other (qualitative variable). When I see Randy Pobst testing both cars on the same track, then I'll buy the numbers.
And last I looked, there are plenty of base coupes whose warranties have died natural deaths. The GS came out in 2010, so there are none that have run their warranties unless they are over 100K. Point being, selection bias, people with dead warranties tend to be more likely to track and strip their cars than those with live warranties, which leads to a sample size error (not enough GS's for statistical purposes).
And last I looked, there are plenty of base coupes whose warranties have died natural deaths. The GS came out in 2010, so there are none that have run their warranties unless they are over 100K. Point being, selection bias, people with dead warranties tend to be more likely to track and strip their cars than those with live warranties, which leads to a sample size error (not enough GS's for statistical purposes).
He has a Z51. He makes sure and rubs that in to me all the time.
08-01-2013, 10:07 PM
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I don't know Jack Shat! I have a GS that will probably never go to the track. I get on it but nothing too extreme. I got the GS cause it is pretty bad *** looking! When you are spending corvette money go with what appeals to YOU.
If you need a car to boost your ego you are in the words of the great Archie Bunker.............
A MEATHEAD!
If you need a car to boost your ego you are in the words of the great Archie Bunker.............
A MEATHEAD!
08-01-2013, 11:45 PM
#329
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I don't know Jack Shat! I have a GS that will probably never go to the track. I get on it but nothing too extreme. I got the GS cause it is pretty bad *** looking! When you are spending corvette money go with what appeals to YOU.
If you need a car to boost your ego you are in the words of the great Archie Bunker.............
A MEATHEAD!
If you need a car to boost your ego you are in the words of the great Archie Bunker.............
A MEATHEAD!
Your comment reminds me of something I posted, where in I said...
"I purchased a Grand Sport because I just loved the way it looked. It was honkin' badass, and actually looked a little intimidating to me. I still love the way it looks, and enjoy driving it. That's enough for me. Period!"
I got all kinds of remarks like, "what a waste of money if you're not going to track it". "I would never spend $6,000 more for a car, unless I had a specific use for it's extra cost." "If you're not going to track a GS, you should have bought a base coupe."
Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah, ....In my opinion, these folks gotta be really stupid, or just insanely jealous. Like somehow it is not acceptable to buy a car simply because you really like it, and you can afford it. Not good enough for these morons. No, you must purchase your car, using the same standards they apply to their purchases, or you are somehow incapable of making a rational decision.
Similar criticisms develop on computer forum sites. When I built a new computer last year using an Intel i7 3930k, and an Asus Rampage IV Extreme motherboard, I received comments like..."where are you going to use all that computing power? What a waste of money?" "My motherboard cost 1/3 what you payed for yours, and it does everything anyone should ever need to do with a computer." "I would never spend $500.00 for a CPU, my $139.00 AMD CPU works almost as well."
I could go on, but you get the idea. There always seems to be the same mob mentality, that attacks anyone for having something that they either don't need, don't want, or can't afford. I see the same thing on many of these threads.
08-02-2013, 01:39 AM
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Melting Slicks
08-02-2013, 03:43 AM
#332
Drifting
No, it doesnt. Lots of us buy our cars new and hit the track with them. Thats the reason why we buy them. There are fast and slow tracks, there are also calculations for DA that help level the playing field. I am sorry that the base car has posted the fastest times. Regardless, its done it.
I'm guessing not a lot of hard science college grads in this thread.
08-02-2013, 06:25 AM
#333
Drifting
Excellent point. I think it is Internet forum group think. People tend to form majority opinions on these forums which are intended to guide all buying and modding decisions. "All the guys on the forum say you should not waste money on the LT1 hotcam" etc. So if you go and put in a hotcam and post a great time slip, people get upset because you didn't buy the "recommended" cam of the day.
Get a life. It occurs on all forums.
I used to be a member of the gamedev.net forum and we had endless flame wars over DirectX versus OpenGL and anyone even bringing up the conversation had their thread locked immediately because it got so bad.
Get a life. It occurs on all forums.
I used to be a member of the gamedev.net forum and we had endless flame wars over DirectX versus OpenGL and anyone even bringing up the conversation had their thread locked immediately because it got so bad.
Your comment reminds me of something I posted, where in I said...
"I purchased a Grand Sport because I just loved the way it looked. It was honkin' badass, and actually looked a little intimidating to me. I still love the way it looks, and enjoy driving it. That's enough for me. Period!"
I got all kinds of remarks like, "what a waste of money if you're not going to track it". "I would never spend $6,000 more for a car, unless I had a specific use for it's extra cost." "If you're not going to track a GS, you should have bought a base coupe."
Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah, ....In my opinion, these folks gotta be really stupid, or just insanely jealous. Like somehow it is not acceptable to buy a car simply because you really like it, and you can afford it. Not good enough for these morons. No, you must purchase your car, using the same standards they apply to their purchases, or you are somehow incapable of making a rational decision.
Similar criticisms develop on computer forum sites. When I built a new computer last year using an Intel i7 3930k, and an Asus Rampage IV Extreme motherboard, I received comments like..."where are you going to use all that computing power? What a waste of money?" "My motherboard cost 1/3 what you payed for yours, and it does everything anyone should ever need to do with a computer." "I would never spend $500.00 for a CPU, my $139.00 AMD CPU works almost as well."
I could go on, but you get the idea. There always seems to be the same mob mentality, that attacks anyone for having something that they either don't need, don't want, or can't afford. I see the same thing on many of these threads.
"I purchased a Grand Sport because I just loved the way it looked. It was honkin' badass, and actually looked a little intimidating to me. I still love the way it looks, and enjoy driving it. That's enough for me. Period!"
I got all kinds of remarks like, "what a waste of money if you're not going to track it". "I would never spend $6,000 more for a car, unless I had a specific use for it's extra cost." "If you're not going to track a GS, you should have bought a base coupe."
Yada, yada, blah, blah, blah, ....In my opinion, these folks gotta be really stupid, or just insanely jealous. Like somehow it is not acceptable to buy a car simply because you really like it, and you can afford it. Not good enough for these morons. No, you must purchase your car, using the same standards they apply to their purchases, or you are somehow incapable of making a rational decision.
Similar criticisms develop on computer forum sites. When I built a new computer last year using an Intel i7 3930k, and an Asus Rampage IV Extreme motherboard, I received comments like..."where are you going to use all that computing power? What a waste of money?" "My motherboard cost 1/3 what you payed for yours, and it does everything anyone should ever need to do with a computer." "I would never spend $500.00 for a CPU, my $139.00 AMD CPU works almost as well."
I could go on, but you get the idea. There always seems to be the same mob mentality, that attacks anyone for having something that they either don't need, don't want, or can't afford. I see the same thing on many of these threads.
08-02-2013, 07:58 AM
#334
Melting Slicks
That's why people should buy what they want.. I'm faster than a great deal of people with supposedly better cars. There are people with supposedly slower cars that are faster than me because they are better drivers. Point being, it doesn't matter what the spec sheet says, anything can happen on a course. You just have to get what you want and have fun the way you like to have fun in your own car...
Fruitless argument is fruitless.
08-02-2013, 08:34 AM
#335
Race Director
God dang....I am trying to work to finish up the closing and you are posting along like a 13 year old girl on facebook with a new boyfriend. BTW, you forgot to "poke" me. haah
You are right, road course the GS beats the base.
When I say 1/4 mile I dont mean magazine tests. I mean ACTUAL track times by individuals where we can get track information and DA....etc You dont have that with those tests. Last I looked some LS3 narrow bodies have cracked 11s. Have the GS yet? No? Ok, glad we got that settled. haha
You are right, road course the GS beats the base.
When I say 1/4 mile I dont mean magazine tests. I mean ACTUAL track times by individuals where we can get track information and DA....etc You dont have that with those tests. Last I looked some LS3 narrow bodies have cracked 11s. Have the GS yet? No? Ok, glad we got that settled. haha
Got any?
08-02-2013, 08:37 AM
#336
Team Owner
Remember, the LS3 came out in 2008, some of those times were posted in 2008, 2009, 2010....so those cars were still on the warranty program. So to use a point that GS cars are under warranty and that is why they havent posted the fastest times is on the edge of retardation. Your speculation is a weak argument at best and is borderline laughable in regards to your comment about "hard science college grads". BTW, I am willing to bet I have more college credits under my belt that you. I broke 190 a couple of years ago when I finished my second degree.
If you want to talk statistics I am all for it but you must provide data to work with and basis for your selection criteria. You have no real basis that makes sense and you have no data to gather. Good luck, we all look forward to your results.
Doesn't matter what car is faster on paper in a race... You can keep a stat sheet in your pocket if you like, doesn't make you feel any better after getting your butt handed to you at the track by a better driver in a Spec Miata. That's why people should buy what they want..
I'm faster than a great deal of people with supposedly better cars. There are people with supposedly slower cars that are faster than me because they are better drivers. Point being, it doesn't matter what the spec sheet says, anything can happen on a course. You just have to get what you want and have fun the way you like to have fun in your own car...
Fruitless argument is fruitless.
That's why people should buy what they want.. I'm faster than a great deal of people with supposedly better cars. There are people with supposedly slower cars that are faster than me because they are better drivers. Point being, it doesn't matter what the spec sheet says, anything can happen on a course. You just have to get what you want and have fun the way you like to have fun in your own car...
Fruitless argument is fruitless.
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08-02-2013, 08:42 AM
#337
Team Owner
They are posted here on the site. 
Best I could turn in 2800 DA, on stock run flats, at 1,001 mile, no burn out, 32 psi in the rear, 3/4 tank of gas, was a 12.7@115 on a 2.15 sixty foot (rolled out of the hole). Issue with the track I was at is that at the line you rock back if you take your foot off the brake and the first 1/8th is uphill. Very hard to get it to stay steady that way without a line-lock. Its not a track for posting fast times, that is for sure. haha
Best I could turn in 2800 DA, on stock run flats, at 1,001 mile, no burn out, 32 psi in the rear, 3/4 tank of gas, was a 12.7@115 on a 2.15 sixty foot (rolled out of the hole). Issue with the track I was at is that at the line you rock back if you take your foot off the brake and the first 1/8th is uphill. Very hard to get it to stay steady that way without a line-lock. Its not a track for posting fast times, that is for sure. haha
08-02-2013, 11:19 AM
#338
Race Director
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08-02-2013, 12:21 PM
#339
Drifting
No, it doesnt. Lots of us buy our cars new and hit the track with them. Thats the reason why we buy them. There are fast and slow tracks, there are also calculations for DA that help level the playing field. I am sorry that the base car has posted the fastest times. Regardless, its done it.
Thanks in advance for the info.
08-02-2013, 12:34 PM
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You may/may not be, correct, regarding the superiority of the C7 vs. C6.
I also have a '13 2LT GS. Paid cash so I'm in a great position financially with this car. Love the classic look of the C6, especially the rear end, vs. the abortion that's been perpetrated on the C7.
However, like some others, I don't feel some kind of unending loyalty to the C6. I also never purchase a new product, be it a refrigerator, or a Corvette, in it's very first year of production. I prefer not to be a pioneer with my $60k. IF, after a year of good reviews, technology verification, driving a C7 several times so I can compare the performance, and handling, and the comfort, and the interior, etc., to my C6, and finding it worth the trade off against the look of the C6, then I will order a 2015 C7.
For me, it'll take a feeling of serious upgrading, to give up my '13 GS. But, I have an open mind. Time will tell.
I also have a '13 2LT GS. Paid cash so I'm in a great position financially with this car. Love the classic look of the C6, especially the rear end, vs. the abortion that's been perpetrated on the C7.
However, like some others, I don't feel some kind of unending loyalty to the C6. I also never purchase a new product, be it a refrigerator, or a Corvette, in it's very first year of production. I prefer not to be a pioneer with my $60k. IF, after a year of good reviews, technology verification, driving a C7 several times so I can compare the performance, and handling, and the comfort, and the interior, etc., to my C6, and finding it worth the trade off against the look of the C6, then I will order a 2015 C7.
For me, it'll take a feeling of serious upgrading, to give up my '13 GS. But, I have an open mind. Time will tell.