2011 GS Ongoing No-Start Issues
In past years, you could disconnect the positive battery terminal and connect a volt meter between the post and the removed battery cable and if there was a current draw, the volt meter would read 12.6 volts. With the meter connected, start pulling fuses one at a time until the volt meter reads zero. The fuse removed that caused the voltmeter to go to zero is the culprit circuit. Trouble shoot that circuit for ground faults, or short circuits and you can fix the problem. In newer cars with so many computer systems that monitor the car's systems even when it's not running, that trouble shooting tactic may not work...it's kinda "old school"?????
Last edited by ParisTNDude; Aug 29, 2013 at 08:50 AM.
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Doug
I once looked at a used Z06. The thing had the PCM replaced THREE times in a couple of years. Turns out the AC evaporator drain tube was clogged...and water was dripping onto the PCM shorting it out. The last dealer to work on it unclogged the drain and fixed it for good. The first two guys who worked on it just hung the new part and sent it out the door. There's no way this car should have had to go through 3 PCMs. But the system allows this kind of stuff to happen.
It's hard to imagine a dealer throwing in the towel on it. Like I said, it may just need a fresh set of eyes at this point...or even some diagnosis from an independent shop.
I understand your frustration. At least the dealer is willing to work with you.
The reason I asked about a M2W switch is because it can cause battery drain if installed incorrectly...which obviously isn't your problem.
I was a top student in electrical/mechanical nine month class in the service. Working out in the field with 45 technicians, only ten knew what they were really doing. The rest you didn't really want to follow them, they twisted, turned, etc. anything they could see or touch. It would take an accomplished repairmen to reset it up to basic specs and it would run 99% of the time. Now you know how i feel about technicians. I should be an engineer except for the higher math, that's where I failed.
TF, keep up those great tips you are giving, it could just be a loose connection, bad crimp, corrison, no connection that is dangling, etc. A very good visual and jiggling of connections, slipping connections on and off a few times, torn boot, etc. I know that you get the idea, many techs don't think like we do.
To the OP, hang in there, the previous plug connector missing part owner was about to give up. Follow him, and keep looking, someone will find the problem, it only takes one bad part or connection, etc.
I'm counting on you to hang in there, please find another shop when the current shop is exhausted. Then you lhave a chance.
The good news, I guess, is that GM is taking the car back. That's pretty much all I'm comfortable sharing at this point. I don't know any details as far as reimbursement for my car, etc., but I've been reassured that I will be taken care of. We'll see...
I'm comfortable with the attempts by the dealer to find the problem. One other dealer, and GM in their first buy-back, could not isolate this issue. Maybe an independent shop could have found something? Who knows? How much more does a person keep trying?
Thanks to all for you recommendations, tips, and well-wishes. Here's hoping I'll be posting pictures of a replacement C6 soon...
No need to fret the past now, just enjoy the hunt for the next one!
I still hunt 'em, even though I'm set for now. But I did enjoy the hunting so much, that I just can't completely stop.
In fact, here is a torch red GS vert that I saw just a few days ago:
http://cadillachouston.sewell.com/we...on-TX/1380856/
Good Luck, and show us all the pics when you can - so we know, The End Of The Story.
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I have let my car sit for weeks at a time due to my business and vacation travel. I have never had a low battery problem. I do leave it in wild.
That setting is the same as no fuse at all, and I cannot see how there could be a current flow if the fuse was pulled, and the circuit was thus not complete.
JH, do you disagree with what I am saying here?
I have let my car sit for weeks at a time due to my business and vacation travel. I have never had a low battery problem. I do leave it in wild.
That setting is the same as no fuse at all, and I cannot see how there could be a current flow if the fuse was pulled, and the circuit was thus not complete.
JH, do you disagree with what I am saying here?
I have let my car sit for weeks at a time due to my business and vacation travel. I have never had a low battery problem. I do leave it in wild.
That setting is the same as no fuse at all, and I cannot see how there could be a current flow if the fuse was pulled, and the circuit was thus not complete.
JH, do you disagree with what I am saying here?
Correct, It is if you leave it in the "On" mode that you will have the problem, the "Zero" drain install just eliminates the issue of forgetting to change the position from "On" to "Off". If you pull the fuse, you have it in a permanent Wild position {Off} and besides if you don't have a module to change positions so this would not apply. It's the module that has a slight drain on the battery.




In past years, you could disconnect the positive battery terminal and connect a volt meter between the post and the removed battery cable and if there was a current draw, the volt meter would read 12.6 volts. With the meter connected, start pulling fuses one at a time until the volt meter reads zero. The fuse removed that caused the voltmeter to go to zero is the culprit circuit. Trouble shoot that circuit for ground faults, or short circuits and you can fix the problem. In newer cars with so many computer systems that monitor the car's systems even when it's not running, that trouble shooting tactic may not work...it's kinda "old school"?????
If it is possible with one car it is possible with all of them.
A lot of people fall victim to the battery myth. Oh, by the way you can discharge batteries several times without hurting them in the short run. They may totally fail sooner than they should a year so later but they can take multiple discharges. I've depleted mine several times when working on the car and the battery came back.
Bill
Without question, something isn't right.
I just don't see that it is the M2W unless it is left in the "on" (mild) position. And the thing is, if the technician involved is chasing the wrong thing, then the real cause will remain unresolved.
If it is possible with one car it is possible with all of them.
A lot of people fall victim to the battery myth. Oh, by the way you can discharge batteries several times without hurting them in the short run. They may totally fail sooner than they should a year so later but they can take multiple discharges. I've depleted mine several times when working on the car and the battery came back.
Bill



















