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Old Oct 11, 2013 | 10:07 AM
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A while back I ran across a catch-can thread that went in to a lot of detail explaining the differences in the catch-cans on the market and which ones worked better than others. Now I can't seem to find that thread again. Can anyone help?
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My reply doesn't answer the OP's question but any feedback might help those of us who want to mount a CC in the future.

I have a Mike Norris CC that I bought used and can't figure out where to put it on my '13 base car without removing the intake baffle and cut the right engine cover. I won't do either and also would rather not drill holes, if possible, but that seems to be necessary if mounted somewhere like to the left of the hood pivoting point and right of the radiator. In that location can that flat metal surface be drilled? Is there anything to the front of it that might be damaged by the drill? One problem is that the Norris CC is quite long (top to bottom) and fitment is a real problem on this car, especially if you want to use the petcock.

If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.

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Is this it?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ur-set-up.html

I had a CCA catch can on my'07 and ultimately went with the simple breather.
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Maybe this thread...
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/auto...-dry-sump.html
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My reply doesn't answer the OP's question but any feedback might help those of us who want to mount a CC in the future.

I have a Mike Norris CC that I bought used and can't figure out where to put it on my '13 base car without removing the intake baffle and cut the right engine cover. I won't do either and also would rather not drill holes, if possible, but that seems to be necessary if mounted somewhere like to the left of the hood pivoting point and right of the radiator. In that location can that flat metal surface be drilled? Is there anything to the front of it that might be damaged by the drill? One problem is that the Norris CC is quite long (top to bottom) and fitment is a real problem on this car, especially if you want to use the petcock.

If anyone has any suggestions please let me know.
I installed a Mike Norris catch can under the corner of the valve cover by the oil filler. I think all i had to do was flip the bracket that holds the catch can.
I installed a Z06 intake thinking I needed the extra room the baffle takes up, but ended up not needing it after all.

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Originally Posted by lathrash
I installed a Mike Norris catch can under the corner of the valve cover by the oil filler. I think all i had to do was flip the bracket that holds the catch can.
I installed a Z06 intake thinking I needed the extra room the baffle takes up, but ended up not needing it after all.
Thanks for the tip, as this looks like a viable solution. I put it in place and noticed that the exhaust manifold and heater hose were probably going to touch, but the hose has a protective plastic covering that should protect it from abrasion. I wouldn't want it to touch the manifold and it looks like some spacers on the bracket would pull it away enough to clear. Heat shouldn't be an issue but touching might be, IMO.

One question, though: How do you get to the petcock to drain it? I can't even begin to get my hands down there in a position to open and close it. I could pull the hoses off and unscrew the top, then suck the oil out with a hose. That wouldn't need to be done often, I wouldn't think.
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...One question, though: How do you get to the petcock to drain it? I can't even begin to get my hands down there in a position to open and close it. I could pull the hoses off and unscrew the top, then suck the oil out with a hose. That wouldn't need to be done often, I wouldn't think.
I tried putting a bowl under and opening the petcock. That doesn't work. Loosen the bracket and raise the can enough to get under. That doesn't work. Put a hose on the petcock to drain to the floor. That doesn't work. Next the handle on the petcock came loose so no more opening the drain. Now I remove the can from the car, take the top off and pour it out once a year. It's the price I pay for a clean engine.
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I tried putting a bowl under and opening the petcock. That doesn't work. Loosen the bracket and raise the can enough to get under. That doesn't work. Put a hose on the petcock to drain to the floor. That doesn't work. Next the handle on the petcock came loose so no more opening the drain. Now I remove the can from the car, take the top off and pour it out once a year. It's the price I pay for a clean engine.
This is one of the reasons I preferred Elite Engineering catch can, I just unscrew the bottom of the can, pull it out, drain and screw back on with no mess. Quality product that works!
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Originally Posted by Mike's LS3
This is one of the reasons I preferred Elite Engineering catch can, I just unscrew the bottom of the can, pull it out, drain and screw back on with no mess. Quality product that works!
I also use the Elite.

In its original configuration, left a lot to be desire. The supplied bracket left the can in an angle (far from perpendicular) and too close to the bottom heater hoses (would rub & impossible to unscrew bottom to empty out) to be comfortable for me.

So I made new bracket to give me the clearance and angle + a few other items to improve the heat dissipation/isolation efficiency:



Notice the bottom of the bracket, it has milled mating receptacle, provides a positive position mate to the head, to ensure repeatable perpendicular positioning in the event bracket is removed then re-install without guesswork:



Every couple of months, I do the easy removal and 100% clean out and verification.

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Originally Posted by FortMorganAl
Put a hose on the petcock to drain to the floor. That doesn't work.
What about a length of hose that would allow a plug at the end that's accessible from under the car? That way you could drain it every time you change the oil.

Next the handle on the petcock came loose so no more opening the drain. Now I remove the can from the car, take the top off and pour it out once a year. It's the price I pay for a clean engine.
My petcock is broken like yours and have been debating on whether to replace it or not. Your procedure sounds as good as any, but I also thought about removing the hoses at the CC, unscrew the top, and suck the oil out with a small hose or straw.
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What about the hose that goes into the air intake just ahead of the throttle body?
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Originally Posted by lathrash
This was the one I was looking for. Thank you and the others for helping me find it. Now, off to research which one to go with.
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Originally Posted by willhaveC6
Is this it?

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...ur-set-up.html

I had a CCA catch can on my'07 and ultimately went with the simple breather.
Have you noticed any oil being blown out of the breather?
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I also use the Elite.

In its original configuration, left a lot to be desire. The supplied bracket left the can in an angle (far from perpendicular) and too close to the bottom heater hoses (would rub & impossible to unscrew bottom to empty out) to be comfortable for me.

So I made new bracket to give me the clearance and angle + a few other items to improve the heat dissipation/isolation efficiency:



Notice the bottom of the bracket, it has milled mating receptacle, provides a positive position mate to the head, to ensure repeatable perpendicular positioning in the event bracket is removed then re-install without guesswork:



Every couple of months, I do the easy removal and 100% clean out and verification.

Very nice modifications. As I understand from another thread, you also made a few modifications to the inside of the catch can. I would like to have a similar setup but lack the capability.
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First, thanks for all the tips offered to install my Mike Norris CC. Second, my regrets to the OP for hijacking his thread, but I think this might help someone who has a problem finding a location in a late-model C6 with an intake baffle.

I took some time this AM and installed the CC, for which I had almost given up on finding a location. I used Lathrash's location with some variation. I have my bracket swapped around (left photo below) but the position of the can appears similar since Lathrash seems to have used a spacer on the mounting bolt. With my setup the right engine cover is fairly tight up against the can, compressing the soft rubber on the underside of the cover a bit, and the bottom of the CC is touching one of the heater hoses.

I attached a piece of rubber about 3X the thickness of an inner tube with a tie wrap between the bottom of theCC and the hose to eliminate any problems there (right photo, bottom-right corner).

All this seems to work fine but it is very tight, and the only problem I may run into is the bottom-right engine cover mount may pop loose in time because the can is pressing against the rubber underside of the cover. If it does I don't think it would matter much since the oil cap won't let it come off.

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Very nice modifications. As I understand from another thread, you also made a few modifications to the inside of the catch can. I would like to have a similar setup but lack the capability.
You must be referring to these:





Originally Posted by iclick
First, thanks for all the tips offered to install my Mike Norris CC. Second, my regrets to the OP for hijacking his thread, but I think this might help someone who has a problem finding a location in a late-model C6 with an intake baffle.

I took some time this AM and installed the CC, for which I had almost given up on finding a location. I used Lathrash's location with some variation. I have my bracket swapped around (left photo below) but the position of the can appears similar since Lathrash seems to have used a spacer on the mounting bolt. With my setup the right engine cover is fairly tight up against the can, compressing the soft rubber on the underside of the cover a bit, and the bottom of the CC is touching one of the heater hoses.

I attached a piece of rubber about 3X the thickness of an inner tube with a tie wrap between the bottom of theCC and the hose to eliminate any problems there (right photo, bottom-right corner).

All this seems to work fine but it is very tight, and the only problem I may run into is the bottom-right engine cover mount may pop loose in time because the can is pressing against the rubber underside of the cover. If it does I don't think it would matter much since the oil cap won't let it come off.

I would really keep an eye on the bottom of the heater hose, check it frequently. Vibration/heat expansion can be brutal in terms of friction between two surface that is touching.

The supplied Elite bracket caused the can to sit skewed and the bottom was touching the heater hoses as well. Even if I could live with the touching condition, when time for cleaning, I would have to remove the whole can from the bracket at the top - which I would rather not.

I do like the Elite's design without petcock and with the correct bracket angle/spacing, enable 100% cleaning and visual verification.

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You must be referring to these:



Yes. Impressive work. Did you fabricate your bracket as well?
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Yes. Impressive work. Did you fabricate your bracket as well?
Pretty basic stuff really!

Actually, the hardest part in these kind of project is making the precision template - where I can make all the adjustments before the actual work! You can see in the upper left corner of the photo with the mock up template for the coil relocation bracket. Under the bottom half of the catch can, you can see, on the clipboard, the actual trace location next to the right side of the radiator shroud, between the hood strut, but I decided that was a poor location for catch can mount.

Yes, I did the T6 bracket as well, after weighting in other possible mounting considerations, then decided on a proper designed bracket is best for my application.

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CHECK IT OUT.


http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c6-t...an-needed.html

PS: I have been running this set-up for a couple of years now and still not one drop of oil has dripped from the filter onto the engine and no oil smell in the car. The car has also seen many track days too.

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I would really keep an eye on the bottom of the heater hose, check it frequently. Vibration/heat expansion can be brutal in terms of friction between two surface that is touching.
I will. As mentioned earlier I tied a 1/8" strip of sturdy rubber between the CC and hose, and I don't think the can will rub a hole through that anytime soon. The can isn't putting much pressure on it, but I will keep and eye on it.

Upon further scrutiny I cut a small piece of the rubber under the engine cover that was touching the top CC hose and that made the cover fit much better. The can rubs against the cover a bit on the far right sidebut I can't seen any harm in that. I thought about heating and bending the aluminum CC bracket so the can fits a bit more rearward (closer to the exhaust manifold), but I don't see a good reason to go to that trouble.

The supplied Elite bracket caused the can to sit skewed and the bottom was touching the heater hoses as well. Even if I could live with the touching condition, when time for cleaning, I would have to remove the whole can from the bracket at the top - which I would rather not.
I'm just going to pull the hoses off, unscrew the top section, and suck the oil out with a hose about once per year. I didn't mention this before but I pulled the center section of the petcock out and filled the hole with RTV, as I didn't have a plug of the right size on hand.
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