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Drifting
Joined: Mar 2010
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From: TX
High horsepower in a short wheelbase. Makes it easy to get out of shape, and difficult to correct. In most cases, by the time you realize the rear has broken loose, it's already too late.
I suspect most of the guys in these videos are the same ones that turn off the traction control and suspension control as soon as they get in the car because they are "nannies" and only "girls need those things".
I suspect most of the guys in these videos are the same ones that turn off the traction control and suspension control as soon as they get in the car because they are "nannies" and only "girls need those things".
Last edited by CSixDude; Jan 2, 2017 at 07:43 PM.
Le Mans Master
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From: Currently somewhere in IL,IN,KY,TN,MO,AR,MS,AL, or FL
I'd say closer to 90%. "Expert" drivers don't need computers to keep them out of trouble. Just because professionals use computers because they have faster reaction times than the human nervous system doesn't mean an "expert" needs them. Besides, the pros don't know how fun it is to slide around corners like a cow on ice.
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Instructor
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From: Oklahoma City OK
Race Director
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From: Peoria/Phoenix AZ
C6 of Year Finalist (performance mods) 2019
Growing up in OH, the first snow of the Winter meant it was time to practice slide and recovery in a big parking lot. Then testing the limits of the car on dry pavement complements the snow lessons. That knowledge and experience has saved my butt many times.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Oct 2015
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From: Arlington Texas
I grew up in the north. Learned a lot about skid control spinning cars around in empty snow covered parking lots for fun. You should see all the clueless people around here in the Dallas area who just plain don't know what to do when we sometimes get a little snow or ice on the road. Although I've also seen drivers up north just as bad. Around here you stay at home, not because you don't know how to drive in it but rather you don't want someone to run into you. Driver education training is horrible even for kids that take a drivers education class.
Safety Car
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From: St Louis Area IL
No pucker factor here.
Burning Brakes
Joined: Jan 2002
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From: Reno Nevada
We lived in Montana, a LOT of ice and snow in the winter. Like others have said above you learn in a slippery parking lot.
Both me and my wife have spun Corvettes (& other cars) in completely dry & hot weather, its easy to do.
So... I'm pretty careful with a powerful car pulling out of a driveway. Always resist the temptation to throw it sideways.
Messing around in a parking lot is fun for sure but you have to know there's nothing to hit, curbs, light poles, etc.
I'm not a fan of messing around on the street, just too many things can quickly go wrong, just watch YouTube vids...
I'm in several car clubs, have herd about guys crashing their cars.
I don't blame guys for enjoying a car but I'd be pretty embarrassed if I hit something.
Both me and my wife have spun Corvettes (& other cars) in completely dry & hot weather, its easy to do.
So... I'm pretty careful with a powerful car pulling out of a driveway. Always resist the temptation to throw it sideways.
Messing around in a parking lot is fun for sure but you have to know there's nothing to hit, curbs, light poles, etc.
I'm not a fan of messing around on the street, just too many things can quickly go wrong, just watch YouTube vids...
I'm in several car clubs, have herd about guys crashing their cars.
I don't blame guys for enjoying a car but I'd be pretty embarrassed if I hit something.
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Drifting
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From: Loud, Raw and Dangerous 1968 327 4S in Southern California
Yeeow that video's scary.
Thanks for the link....making me think twice about punching it like that again. Seems like for most of them the traction controls are off and the drivers are still on the throttle so there was no grip between the tires and the road.
Heart breaking to see the damage to so many fine cars.
Heart breaking to see the damage to so many fine cars.
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Burning Brakes
Joined: Jun 2009
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From: Roanoke Indiana
Thanks for the link....making me think twice about punching it like that again. Seems like for most of them the traction controls are off and the drivers are still on the throttle so there was no grip between the tires and the road.
Heart breaking to see the damage to so many fine cars.
Heart breaking to see the damage to so many fine cars.
Drifting
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in my previous car, there was a very high chance of a new owner to wreck their car - it had "snap oversteer" - if you go into a corner too hot while on the throttle, then decide to let off to hit the brakes, the car "snaps" and spins HARD the opposite direction your steering wheel is turned.
Apparently, there was a pretty big toe-change as you unload the front of the car. This toe change allowed competent drivers to charge corners harder than normal (more grip as you load the front), but the average driver coming off throttle would spin their cars.
I actually read about this prior to buying the car so I attempted it on a huge 5 lane (empty!!) road while making a right turn. Even though I was prepared for it, the car still ended up 90 degrees to the curb. Snap over + low moment of inertia + new car = bad times.
Apparently, there was a pretty big toe-change as you unload the front of the car. This toe change allowed competent drivers to charge corners harder than normal (more grip as you load the front), but the average driver coming off throttle would spin their cars.
I actually read about this prior to buying the car so I attempted it on a huge 5 lane (empty!!) road while making a right turn. Even though I was prepared for it, the car still ended up 90 degrees to the curb. Snap over + low moment of inertia + new car = bad times.
Instructor
Joined: Sep 2016
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From: Michigan
I can't see the vid due to blockers at work lol
but if this is the two guys with silver vettes (c5, c6), That video is what scared me to get a Vette. I test drove one and realized that the driver was probably an idiot.
but if this is the two guys with silver vettes (c5, c6), That video is what scared me to get a Vette. I test drove one and realized that the driver was probably an idiot.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Roanoke Indiana
That's just one of the segments in the video. One of the strangest crashes to me, loosing it in a strait line on a dry road.
Instructor
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From: Michigan
Just seen the whole vid, yeah, a lot of these are confusing. I keep looking and watching, roads are dry and clear on most of these, clean too, no sand/dirt/gravel... Maybe their tires are lacking tread? Too much hp, over correcting a slip?