Don't understand
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Burning Brakes
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From: Roanoke Indiana
Don't understand
I've seen several of these videos, and they always leave me with lots of questions. Most loose it going in a strait line and the car looks like it's on ice even though the road is dry. If this many are on video, how many are not recorded? I've been driving these and other high performance cars for 50 years. Been out of shape a few times, but never wrecked. If I were 16, I'd probably be too afraid to ever drive.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...39&action=view
https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...39&action=view
Le Mans Master
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Northern Indiana. You get practice driving on ice. People who don't have ice tend to not have a clue what to do when they turn off the nannies because they think they are expert drivers and the rear comes around. I have met several of the "experts" who literally couldn't tell you what to do let alone do it instinctively.
Melting Slicks
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From: Central Ohio
Dirty cold tires are a high performance cars nightmare.
To many folks spend no time driving the car until they want to show off once and they don't know how to correct the car when it gets out of shape.
Lots of poor choices for where and when folks decide to show off.
To many folks spend no time driving the car until they want to show off once and they don't know how to correct the car when it gets out of shape.
Lots of poor choices for where and when folks decide to show off.
Melting Slicks
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My heavily modded camaro has made me complacent with RWD behavior. I have that thing built up that flooring it tends to squat the car and keep it relatively going straight even in the wet unless the wheel is cranked sideways.
The C6 on the other hand is deceptive. I blame run flats but it feels more stable than the Camaro when it is not. Even when its already loosing it, it doesn't seem to want to communicate it until its at its breaking point then it just lets go violently and to the driver unexpectedly (compared to the Camaro which will communicate all sorts of traction tidbits to you).
I also find the 0.2s "delay" of the drive by wire contributes to response time to "let out" as well.
The C6 on the other hand is deceptive. I blame run flats but it feels more stable than the Camaro when it is not. Even when its already loosing it, it doesn't seem to want to communicate it until its at its breaking point then it just lets go violently and to the driver unexpectedly (compared to the Camaro which will communicate all sorts of traction tidbits to you).
I also find the 0.2s "delay" of the drive by wire contributes to response time to "let out" as well.
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Burning Brakes
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From: Roanoke Indiana
My heavily modded camaro has made me complacent with RWD behavior. I have that thing built up that flooring it tends to squat the car and keep it relatively going straight even in the wet unless the wheel is cranked sideways.
The C6 on the other hand is deceptive. I blame run flats but it feels more stable than the Camaro when it is not. Even when its already loosing it, it doesn't seem to want to communicate it until its at its breaking point then it just lets go violently and to the driver unexpectedly (compared to the Camaro which will communicate all sorts of traction tidbits to you).
I also find the 0.2s "delay" of the drive by wire contributes to response time to "let out" as well.
The C6 on the other hand is deceptive. I blame run flats but it feels more stable than the Camaro when it is not. Even when its already loosing it, it doesn't seem to want to communicate it until its at its breaking point then it just lets go violently and to the driver unexpectedly (compared to the Camaro which will communicate all sorts of traction tidbits to you).
I also find the 0.2s "delay" of the drive by wire contributes to response time to "let out" as well.
2nd try it stayed strait, but was still spinning at 50 mph in 2nd. Third try it hooked much better, but I wasn't at WOT. Parked it for the winter and replaced the tires 1st thing in the spring. Much better after that.
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pretty simple explanation. lack of throttle control and counter steering abilities.
A lot of people don't understand the physics to traction especially when it comes to road surfaces/temperatures etc. I'd say most of us know that the way your car drove yesterday in 90 heat on asphalt is not comparable to how it will drive the next day at 60 degrees on concrete...
A lot of people don't understand the physics to traction especially when it comes to road surfaces/temperatures etc. I'd say most of us know that the way your car drove yesterday in 90 heat on asphalt is not comparable to how it will drive the next day at 60 degrees on concrete...
Melting Slicks
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I have 1 year old run-flats Bridgestone potenzas on the c6. compared to the good year run flats night and day. Also ran the firestone wide ovals too.
Tires play a big part in being able to keep the car from going sideways. Cold summer tires is like being on wet road. Warm them up and they work great.
I would say experience plays a big part in all these "kids" loosing it. Knowing when to lift, counter steer is just something your body learns. Can't tell anyone about it, it has to be felt and engraved into your body. After that, the next thing I'd gripe about is run flats; they do not communicate like normal tires do thanks to that extra stiffness.
Tires play a big part in being able to keep the car from going sideways. Cold summer tires is like being on wet road. Warm them up and they work great.
I would say experience plays a big part in all these "kids" loosing it. Knowing when to lift, counter steer is just something your body learns. Can't tell anyone about it, it has to be felt and engraved into your body. After that, the next thing I'd gripe about is run flats; they do not communicate like normal tires do thanks to that extra stiffness.
Le Mans Master
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if you watch with the sound turned up, you can hear that most of these idiots keep their foot on the loud pedal well after they are in trouble. I don't know how big an idiot you must be (or how big you must think your cojones are) to stay in the gas well after you have lost control of the vehicle.
Those that do let off the gas seem to invariably nail the throttle again before gaining full control..fail...
Those that do let off the gas seem to invariably nail the throttle again before gaining full control..fail...
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I was wondering the same thing. My car has gone sideways a few times and squirmy here and there, but never lost it like those idiots. I think keeping on the accelerator is a likely cause. I was amazed at how many videos you can find with corvette crashes on youtube.
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Safety Car
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The majority of those spinouts were cars just pulling out of a parking lot, which means they have cold tires. Excess HP and tires that don't grip, equals a loss of control.
I ride sport motorcycles, and I see this ALL the time. At my local Yamaha/Suzuki dealership, they tell me they repair brand new motorcycles the owner just crashed right in front of the dealership after driving off the lot, at least twice a week. They pull out of the lot, and if they have a green light at the corner, they try to take the corner under full power. The tires break traction and the bike slides out under them, or it breaks traction then quickly regains traction, which will flip the rider over the bars when the rear tire tries to straighten up. That's called a highside. I think they call it Snap Oversteer in a car. They look very similar when you watch it on video.
I ride sport motorcycles, and I see this ALL the time. At my local Yamaha/Suzuki dealership, they tell me they repair brand new motorcycles the owner just crashed right in front of the dealership after driving off the lot, at least twice a week. They pull out of the lot, and if they have a green light at the corner, they try to take the corner under full power. The tires break traction and the bike slides out under them, or it breaks traction then quickly regains traction, which will flip the rider over the bars when the rear tire tries to straighten up. That's called a highside. I think they call it Snap Oversteer in a car. They look very similar when you watch it on video.
Safety Car
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Dirty cold tires are a high performance cars nightmare.
To many folks spend no time driving the car until they want to show off once and they don't know how to correct the car when it gets out of shape.
Lots of poor choices for where and when folks decide to show off.
To many folks spend no time driving the car until they want to show off once and they don't know how to correct the car when it gets out of shape.
Lots of poor choices for where and when folks decide to show off.
Le Mans Master
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A lot of us did the same crap when we were younger, but it was 225 HP instead of 430+
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Burning Brakes
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When I was 19, I had a 69 442. I had liability only insurance on my dad's policy. When I tried to get my own insurance, the agent said "forget it".
In the last 12 years I've seen 15-20 C2s go through my friends body shop. I saw 1 with a no hit body. He said it was the 2nd no hit 67 he'd ever seen. My own 67 had evidence of at least 3 accidents.
Melting Slicks
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A lot of people complain about their Good Year "Run Craps" and how dangerous they are when the real culprit is cold tires. A few laps on a racetrack will bring them up to a temperature where they'll stick a lot better. By a lot better, I mean -1g in turns. Cold tires won't come anywhere near that nor will a few minutes of non stressful driving.
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These drivers do not know how to peddle when you start to lose traction. that said....I learn my lesson a few years ago go into an off ramp at 70mph, the road was still slightly damp from a previous rain and I lost almost immediately...luckily the grass and mud stop my inches from a light pole.
I think up to the c7...most corvettes have pretty poor traction...I have 345 x19 nitto 005 r's on my c6....it will break loose in 2nd pretty easily...I have about 500hp
Now my stock o3 ZO6 would spin so fast and easily in first, that it really never stopped going straight, would just catch at a 5k rpm and keep going, but no real traction and that was with new non run flat tires.
I think the next vette should be 4 wheel drive
I think up to the c7...most corvettes have pretty poor traction...I have 345 x19 nitto 005 r's on my c6....it will break loose in 2nd pretty easily...I have about 500hp
Now my stock o3 ZO6 would spin so fast and easily in first, that it really never stopped going straight, would just catch at a 5k rpm and keep going, but no real traction and that was with new non run flat tires.
I think the next vette should be 4 wheel drive
Burning Brakes
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From: Arlington Texas
Poor driving skills and cold tires can spell disaster. Wish it was mandatory for people to complete a skid course to get a drivers licence. People have a tendency to jam on the brakes also when getting out of control which make things even worse.
cesssna10
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I've seen several of these videos, and they always leave me with lots of questions. Most loose it going in a strait line and the car looks like it's on ice even though the road is dry. If this many are on video, how many are not recorded? I've been driving these and other high performance cars for 50 years. Been out of shape a few times, but never wrecked. If I were 16, I'd probably be too afraid to ever drive.
https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...39&action=view
https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...39&action=view
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If you don't know how your car will react to full throttle acceleration, slamming on the brakes, high speed turns, etc. you will wreck. Find a safe place to practice what happens when you do any of the above and how to handle it.
Racer
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First thing I am going to do when I get my car out of the shop! LOL
I have been driving fast cars my entire life and I have to admit the C6 bit me in the behind. Cold tires Cold road very little throttle and touched a curb in a nano second. So yea going to go out and find some limits in a
Safe Space!
I have been driving fast cars my entire life and I have to admit the C6 bit me in the behind. Cold tires Cold road very little throttle and touched a curb in a nano second. So yea going to go out and find some limits in a
Safe Space!
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