Borla Midpipe
04-19-2017, 09:33 PM
#1
Borla Midpipe
I just bought a used Borla ATAK catback system from ebay for my 2007 base (can't take the silent stock exhaust anymore). I didn't really intend to get the entire catback system (just wanted to replace the mufflers) but I think I got a good deal ($625 shipped - it hasn't arrived yet - we'll see when I get it).
My question is whether it's worth installing the midpipe. Borla claims the exhaust is worth 10-15 hp and the X-pipe is worth a few more. I don't buy the 10-15 hp for a minute and I don't care about hp at all anyway. My question is how the Borla midpipe will affect the sound. My non-Corvette experience tells me that the X-pipe will provide a more raspy sound compared to the factory H-pipe (which is not desirable). Is that right? Should I expect a volume difference? Drone difference?
Unless the Borla X-pipe decreases drone or somehow otherwise improves the sound, I'm thinking I will scrap it. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
My question is whether it's worth installing the midpipe. Borla claims the exhaust is worth 10-15 hp and the X-pipe is worth a few more. I don't buy the 10-15 hp for a minute and I don't care about hp at all anyway. My question is how the Borla midpipe will affect the sound. My non-Corvette experience tells me that the X-pipe will provide a more raspy sound compared to the factory H-pipe (which is not desirable). Is that right? Should I expect a volume difference? Drone difference?
Unless the Borla X-pipe decreases drone or somehow otherwise improves the sound, I'm thinking I will scrap it. Any input is appreciated. Thanks!
04-20-2017, 12:38 AM
#2
Race Director
Installed the same system on my '07 several years ago. The difference is I did longitudes and matrix cats while I was there. The mid-pipe really won't do much of anything for you. If there is any HP gain it would be so minimal when used with the OEM header pipes and cats it would be un-noticable. Install the cat back muffler section and go on down the road. If too quite you can always install longtubes and high flow cats.
Don't scrap the mid pipe just put it in the attic if you ever need it. No sound difference with it, just part of the complete system.
Don't scrap the mid pipe just put it in the attic if you ever need it. No sound difference with it, just part of the complete system.
Last edited by cmonkey713; 04-20-2017 at 12:40 AM.
04-20-2017, 07:39 AM
#4
Installed the same system on my '07 several years ago. The difference is I did longitudes and matrix cats while I was there. The mid-pipe really won't do much of anything for you. If there is any HP gain it would be so minimal when used with the OEM header pipes and cats it would be un-noticable. Install the cat back muffler section and go on down the road. If too quite you can always install longtubes and high flow cats.
Don't scrap the mid pipe just put it in the attic if you ever need it. No sound difference with it, just part of the complete system.
Don't scrap the mid pipe just put it in the attic if you ever need it. No sound difference with it, just part of the complete system.
That's not what I wanted to hear! How does that make it easier? I will be doing it on ramps so the front of the car won't have a lot of clearance for me to get to where the factory midpipe bolts on. I was thinking that 10 years is a lot of time for things to seize up and be hard to remove... It sounds like this would be the only reason I would want to use the Borla midpipe.
04-20-2017, 07:49 AM
#5
Damn. Just found this thread: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...iy-no-56k.html
Guess I should have searched for removal instructions before. I assumed the directions from Borla would apply and the OE exhaust would just come out with the midpipe still in.
So..... knowing the factory midpipe is coming out, is there any reason to put it back in? Sounds like no volume difference, even?
Guess I should have searched for removal instructions before. I assumed the directions from Borla would apply and the OE exhaust would just come out with the midpipe still in.
So..... knowing the factory midpipe is coming out, is there any reason to put it back in? Sounds like no volume difference, even?
04-20-2017, 06:11 PM
#6
Race Director
Damn. Just found this thread: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...iy-no-56k.html
Guess I should have searched for removal instructions before. I assumed the directions from Borla would apply and the OE exhaust would just come out with the midpipe still in.
So..... knowing the factory midpipe is coming out, is there any reason to put it back in? Sounds like no volume difference, even?
Guess I should have searched for removal instructions before. I assumed the directions from Borla would apply and the OE exhaust would just come out with the midpipe still in.
So..... knowing the factory midpipe is coming out, is there any reason to put it back in? Sounds like no volume difference, even?
You can install the new axel back system without taking the whole system out but it is easier with everything loose or disassembled.
If you have everything out go ahead and install the mid pipe while you are at it. Most likely no difference in sound or performance, just part of the system. Your choice.
04-20-2017, 09:26 PM
#7
Racer
Wow! What a great price. I was looking for ATAKs but couldn't find them shipped to Hawaii for less than $1700. I ended up getting the S-Type 2s for about $1500 shipped.
Getting the axle back part attached to the mid-pipe is a simple affair. In fact taking off the whole mid-pipe is simple enough too.
Getting the axle back part attached to the mid-pipe is a simple affair. In fact taking off the whole mid-pipe is simple enough too.
04-21-2017, 08:39 AM
#8
One thing that I noticed when looking at the thread posted was the exhaust system looked almost new. A new system is very easy to disassemble because nothing is seized up. What I have found that really helps loosen things up is to soak all the connection joints and attachment hardware with PB Blaster or another serious penetrating lubricant. You may still have a difficult time getting everything apart, just keep working with it and everything will eventually come apart. Try to keep the frustration to a minimum.
You can install the new axel back system without taking the whole system out but it is easier with everything loose or disassembled.
If you have everything out go ahead and install the mid pipe while you are at it. Most likely no difference in sound or performance, just part of the system. Your choice.
You can install the new axel back system without taking the whole system out but it is easier with everything loose or disassembled.
If you have everything out go ahead and install the mid pipe while you are at it. Most likely no difference in sound or performance, just part of the system. Your choice.
Makes sense to put the new midpipe on (as long as it is in good shape) if I have the original off.
04-21-2017, 08:41 AM
#9
Wow! What a great price. I was looking for ATAKs but couldn't find them shipped to Hawaii for less than $1700. I ended up getting the S-Type 2s for about $1500 shipped.
Getting the axle back part attached to the mid-pipe is a simple affair. In fact taking off the whole mid-pipe is simple enough too.
Getting the axle back part attached to the mid-pipe is a simple affair. In fact taking off the whole mid-pipe is simple enough too.
04-21-2017, 09:40 AM
#10
Race Director
Sounds like a plan. I have plenty of PB Blaster and think I'll probably need it. We'll see. I have broken bolts trying to get midpipes off of a previous car's manifolds so that's my only fear. I'll try not to Hulk them loose!
Makes sense to put the new midpipe on (as long as it is in good shape) if I have the original off.
Makes sense to put the new midpipe on (as long as it is in good shape) if I have the original off.
04-24-2017, 08:53 PM
#11
The exhaust arrived today and is now installed. Last night I removed the OE mufflers and midpipe in preparation. That went well. The bolts all came loose easy. Probably helps that the car has never seen rain... It still took longer installing than I hoped (but things like this never go perfect - at least not for me). All of the joints had been tack welded in place by the original owner/installer. I ground off the welds on the over axle pipes but the midpipe was still welded together (this style has a joint at the passenger front flange and two joints in the center). If I were smart, I would have broken and ground off these welds as the driver side pipe sits a little lower than the passenger side in front of the axle. The tips might be a tiny bit lower on the driver side as well, but only I will ever notice. If I ever get access to a lift, I'll probably loosen all the clamps and grind off the midpipe welds and tighten it up again...
As for the sound, I was pleasantly surprised. I was half expecting the ATAK to just be too much. It's not. It was a bit jarring on a cold start, but while driving it's not too loud at all. With the windows up at cruising speed it's hardly louder than stock. There is only drone under heavy load between 1500 and 2000 rpm. Cruising at that rpm, there's no drone. I wouldn't have believed it until experiencing it personally. It's a bit loud when maneuvering around at low speeds, but not obnoxious at all. Even at WOT it's not even close to obnoxious.
So far I'm super happy! Thanks for the help!
As for the sound, I was pleasantly surprised. I was half expecting the ATAK to just be too much. It's not. It was a bit jarring on a cold start, but while driving it's not too loud at all. With the windows up at cruising speed it's hardly louder than stock. There is only drone under heavy load between 1500 and 2000 rpm. Cruising at that rpm, there's no drone. I wouldn't have believed it until experiencing it personally. It's a bit loud when maneuvering around at low speeds, but not obnoxious at all. Even at WOT it's not even close to obnoxious.
So far I'm super happy! Thanks for the help!