2017 Subaru BRZ Vs base ls3 vette
#41
Le Mans Master
Well this is certainly a dumb post.
I've driven both these cars enough to have an idea of the differences.
The BRZ is a real driver's car. In fact, it's probably the best on the road today without getting into a Porsche. The balance, chassis, and "feel" really are a class above. It's definitely not a fast car at all, but it can carry more speed through corners than a LOT of much more powerful cars. You really can take it to 9-10/10ths while still feeling like you're in complete control.
The C6 is a fantastic road car, but is not as balanced, has much worse steering, and is overall not quite the driving scalpel that the BRZ is. Yes, it's more than 2x the more for only a 400 lb weight penalty, but the chassis and steering don't communicate as well and don't inspire the confidence the way BRZ does.
A race between the two cars would depend on the drivers, track, and tires. I think on most tracks the Vette would win, and would obviously dominate on more HP-focused tracks. On something shorter and more technical? I could see the BRZ being a PITA for the Vette.
I've driven both these cars enough to have an idea of the differences.
The BRZ is a real driver's car. In fact, it's probably the best on the road today without getting into a Porsche. The balance, chassis, and "feel" really are a class above. It's definitely not a fast car at all, but it can carry more speed through corners than a LOT of much more powerful cars. You really can take it to 9-10/10ths while still feeling like you're in complete control.
The C6 is a fantastic road car, but is not as balanced, has much worse steering, and is overall not quite the driving scalpel that the BRZ is. Yes, it's more than 2x the more for only a 400 lb weight penalty, but the chassis and steering don't communicate as well and don't inspire the confidence the way BRZ does.
A race between the two cars would depend on the drivers, track, and tires. I think on most tracks the Vette would win, and would obviously dominate on more HP-focused tracks. On something shorter and more technical? I could see the BRZ being a PITA for the Vette.
Dumb post??? You sir, evidently can't read. I said I wouldn't own one. I didn't compare the two cars at all. I don't give a rats @@@ what the BRG or BFW or whatever its called can do at a track, how fast it is the 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile, mile, 5 miles or 100,000 miles. I could care less. I would not own one period.................................. ........................................ ........................................ ........................................ .....................................Tha nk you. Have a nice day
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#44
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Cost of consumables for an MX5 and FRS/BRZ are much lower than that for a Corvette. A lot of individuals who track heavily look for lighter cars with cheaper consumables so you can go to the track more.
In this case, the stock C6 is more than capable to out-lap a stock BRZ given equivalent drivers.
Regardless, enjoy the ls3 corvette. If you do make it to a circuit in a base coupe, you may want to look into cooling or the BRZ may go the whole 20 minutes while you may not.
In this case, the stock C6 is more than capable to out-lap a stock BRZ given equivalent drivers.
Regardless, enjoy the ls3 corvette. If you do make it to a circuit in a base coupe, you may want to look into cooling or the BRZ may go the whole 20 minutes while you may not.
#45
Dumb post??? You sir, evidently can't read. I said I wouldn't own one. I didn't compare the two cars at all. I don't give a rats @@@ what the BRG or BFW or whatever its called can do at a track, how fast it is the 1/4 mile, 1/8 mile, mile, 5 miles or 100,000 miles. I could care less. I would not own one period.................................. ........................................ ........................................ ........................................ .....................................Tha nk you. Have a nice day
#46
That is definitely not true. If you really think that, then you don't understand sports cars very well.
There are a lot of guys out there that if you gave them a Corvette for free, they'd sell it and buy an MGB, 240Z, Caterham, BRZ/FRS, Elise or Miata and pocket the difference for tires and gas.
There are a lot of guys that think lightweight, good handling cars with good driver feedback are more important than big tires and high horsepower.
It all depends on your personality, driving style and the types of roads and/or tracks you drive on.
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#47
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I've been noticing that myself for a while.
That is definitely not true. If you really think that, then you don't understand sports cars very well.
There are a lot of guys out there that if you gave them a Corvette for free, they'd sell it and buy an MGB, 240Z, Caterham, BRZ/FRS, Elise or Miata and pocket the difference for tires and gas.
There are a lot of guys that think lightweight, good handling cars with good driver feedback are more important than big tires and high horsepower.
It all depends on your personality, driving style and the types of roads and/or tracks you drive on.
That is definitely not true. If you really think that, then you don't understand sports cars very well.
There are a lot of guys out there that if you gave them a Corvette for free, they'd sell it and buy an MGB, 240Z, Caterham, BRZ/FRS, Elise or Miata and pocket the difference for tires and gas.
There are a lot of guys that think lightweight, good handling cars with good driver feedback are more important than big tires and high horsepower.
It all depends on your personality, driving style and the types of roads and/or tracks you drive on.
and wear silly little British racing caps.
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Randy_in_MD (09-08-2017)
#48
I love this forum and there are some good people here, but sometimes you guys reveal why other people dislike Corvette owners so much.
So much ego and bravado. It's just a car. Everyone else is not inferior because they drive something cheaper or with less horsepower.
So much ego and bravado. It's just a car. Everyone else is not inferior because they drive something cheaper or with less horsepower.
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#49
Melting Slicks
I'm pulling this info from the Oct. 2016 Car and Driver magazine. They test cars on the Virginia International Raceway which is 4.1 miles.
2015 Z06 time was 2:44.6
2014 Grand Sport was 2:47.1
2012 ZR1 was 2:50.7
2011 Z06 was 2:53.5
2014 Stingray 2:53.8
2010 Corvette Grand Sport time was 2:58.8
2008 Z51 Vette time was 3:01.2
2006 Z51 Vette time was 3:09.3
2013 BRZ time was 3:18.6
I don't know what a 2017 BRZ would do on the track, but I don't see it making up a 17 second to beat a 2008 LS3; or ever betting any C6 or C7 Corvette.
2015 Z06 time was 2:44.6
2014 Grand Sport was 2:47.1
2012 ZR1 was 2:50.7
2011 Z06 was 2:53.5
2014 Stingray 2:53.8
2010 Corvette Grand Sport time was 2:58.8
2008 Z51 Vette time was 3:01.2
2006 Z51 Vette time was 3:09.3
2013 BRZ time was 3:18.6
I don't know what a 2017 BRZ would do on the track, but I don't see it making up a 17 second to beat a 2008 LS3; or ever betting any C6 or C7 Corvette.
#50
Le Mans Master
There's another point here. It's a great deal more enjoyable to drive a slow car or bike fast than a fast one slowly. The joy one gets from driving a car like the BRZ or old MG's or any other slower car at 70% or more is enormously more fun to many including me than driving a fast car such as a C6 at half that percentage.
We aren't good drivers compared to pros or pros who write for the mags. The idea of any of us taking ANY car below 3 minutes at VIR is laughable. It will not happen, guys. We could, with practice, maybe take a BRZ close to a pro's time there but the C6 or other hot cars like a Porsche GT? Ha. We're only kidding ourselves.
True, if the idea of mashing the throttle for 1/4 mile is your idea of joy, a BRZ won't do it. A c6 will so out pace cars like that that it's a different world. Me? I like the C6 but find the quarter mile club to be a boring place to dwell. I can easily see the BRZ or other similar cars as very enjoyable in their own right.
We aren't good drivers compared to pros or pros who write for the mags. The idea of any of us taking ANY car below 3 minutes at VIR is laughable. It will not happen, guys. We could, with practice, maybe take a BRZ close to a pro's time there but the C6 or other hot cars like a Porsche GT? Ha. We're only kidding ourselves.
True, if the idea of mashing the throttle for 1/4 mile is your idea of joy, a BRZ won't do it. A c6 will so out pace cars like that that it's a different world. Me? I like the C6 but find the quarter mile club to be a boring place to dwell. I can easily see the BRZ or other similar cars as very enjoyable in their own right.
#51
Race Director
Cost of consumables for an MX5 and FRS/BRZ are much lower than that for a Corvette. A lot of individuals who track heavily look for lighter cars with cheaper consumables so you can go to the track more.
In this case, the stock C6 is more than capable to out-lap a stock BRZ given equivalent drivers.
Regardless, enjoy the ls3 corvette. If you do make it to a circuit in a base coupe, you may want to look into cooling or the BRZ may go the whole 20 minutes while you may not.
In this case, the stock C6 is more than capable to out-lap a stock BRZ given equivalent drivers.
Regardless, enjoy the ls3 corvette. If you do make it to a circuit in a base coupe, you may want to look into cooling or the BRZ may go the whole 20 minutes while you may not.
Gains on the turns and loses on the straights.
No track time here just a highway cruiser.
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Not true. The real car guys, and i don't mean the Corvettes only folks, know that there are better feeling SPORTS cars than the C6. The C6 is no longer a sports car, the fact that it has high torque and HP is wonderful, but it's become a hi performance GT car, not a sports car. Sad but true.
#53
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Bravo, Bravo, well said, I couldn't agree more
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This is turning into a pissing match between track guys and car guys. Track guys like anything that can get around a track quickly or in a fun manner. It doesn't matter what it looks like or how much it costs (cheaper is better in this case) or what comforts it has or doesn't have. Track performance is first and foremost and decides where the car lands on the respect-o-meter. Car guys are a little different. It's not all about the track. It's about desirability, looks, HP, street performance (which is mostly in a straight line). I'm a car guy, I like a lot of sports cars and muscle cars, not just Corvettes. I go to shows, look at cars, talk to the guys about cars old and new. But when I look at a BRZ or a Miata they do nothing for me. I have no love for them. I can easily afford them, but maybe that lessons the appeal for me. I want my car to be loud, somewhat obnoxious, overkill in every category. I don't put the BRZ in the same category as the Corvette and a lot of Corvette owners probably don't appreciate that either. A lot of Corvette owners waited a long time to afford a Corvette and could of easily gotten a BRZ type car along the way instead, but didn't cause its not their thing. If I was looking for an affordable track car maybe it would be a different story. But I've never been to a car show or talked to car guys and people were like "where the Miata's at?" Are Miata's fun to drive? I'm sure they are, but not my kind of car.
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#55
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Nah, it is turning in to a snowflake feelings thread.
Realist: Corvette is faster in every facet of driving by a large margin given equally skilled drivers.
Snowflake: Yeah but the BRZ feels good.
Snowflake: A race car driver would beat a novice Corvette driver.
Realist: Okay?
Snowflake: Corvette is hard to drive.
Realist: Still faster.
Snowflake: Corvette owners are elitists.
Realist: This thread was about which car is faster, not why someone would choose to buy a BRZ. I didn't know stating the obvious was elitism.
Next up - my friend says his Ninja 250 will take my CBR1000RR on the track.
Realist: Corvette is faster in every facet of driving by a large margin given equally skilled drivers.
Snowflake: Yeah but the BRZ feels good.
Snowflake: A race car driver would beat a novice Corvette driver.
Realist: Okay?
Snowflake: Corvette is hard to drive.
Realist: Still faster.
Snowflake: Corvette owners are elitists.
Realist: This thread was about which car is faster, not why someone would choose to buy a BRZ. I didn't know stating the obvious was elitism.
Next up - my friend says his Ninja 250 will take my CBR1000RR on the track.
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#56
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Nah, it is turning in to a snowflake feelings thread.
Realist: Corvette is faster in every facet of driving by a large margin given equally skilled drivers.
Snowflake: Yeah but the BRZ feels good.
Snowflake: A race car driver would beat a novice Corvette driver.
Realist: Okay?
Snowflake: Corvette is hard to drive.
Realist: Still faster.
Snowflake: Corvette owners are elitists.
Realist: This thread was about which car is faster, not why someone would choose to buy a BRZ. I didn't know stating the obvious was elitism.
Next up - my friend says his Ninja 250 will take my CBR1000RR on the track.
Realist: Corvette is faster in every facet of driving by a large margin given equally skilled drivers.
Snowflake: Yeah but the BRZ feels good.
Snowflake: A race car driver would beat a novice Corvette driver.
Realist: Okay?
Snowflake: Corvette is hard to drive.
Realist: Still faster.
Snowflake: Corvette owners are elitists.
Realist: This thread was about which car is faster, not why someone would choose to buy a BRZ. I didn't know stating the obvious was elitism.
Next up - my friend says his Ninja 250 will take my CBR1000RR on the track.
#57
Race Director
Not true. The real car guys, and i don't mean the Corvettes only folks, know that there are better feeling SPORTS cars than the C6. The C6 is no longer a sports car, the fact that it has high torque and HP is wonderful, but it's become a hi performance GT car, not a sports car. Sad but true.
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#58
Melting Slicks
2017 Subaru BRZ VS 2008 ?
A friend of mine that I shoot with said he would beat me on a road track .
I said its a cute little car . But did not disagree because I really don't know anything about them . After he fired it up I said I would win in the quarter mile and top end speed . Ya it sounds weak . So tell me something about them so I know what to say next time I see him .
PS. It stock and brand new .
A friend of mine that I shoot with said he would beat me on a road track .
I said its a cute little car . But did not disagree because I really don't know anything about them . After he fired it up I said I would win in the quarter mile and top end speed . Ya it sounds weak . So tell me something about them so I know what to say next time I see him .
PS. It stock and brand new .
#59
The BRZ is an absolute delight on a curvy road in its own right.
#60
Le Mans Master
I've been noticing that myself for a while.
That is definitely not true. If you really think that, then you don't understand sports cars very well.
There are a lot of guys out there that if you gave them a Corvette for free, they'd sell it and buy an MGB, 240Z, Caterham, BRZ/FRS, Elise or Miata and pocket the difference for tires and gas.
There are a lot of guys that think lightweight, good handling cars with good driver feedback are more important than big tires and high horsepower.
It all depends on your personality, driving style and the types of roads and/or tracks you drive on.
That is definitely not true. If you really think that, then you don't understand sports cars very well.
There are a lot of guys out there that if you gave them a Corvette for free, they'd sell it and buy an MGB, 240Z, Caterham, BRZ/FRS, Elise or Miata and pocket the difference for tires and gas.
There are a lot of guys that think lightweight, good handling cars with good driver feedback are more important than big tires and high horsepower.
It all depends on your personality, driving style and the types of roads and/or tracks you drive on.
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