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Old 08-21-2018, 06:23 PM
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Driving Home from a short trip and engine starts shaking and quits. Luckily I could get in the left turn lane of a moderately busy road. Tried several times to start it and it did act like it was out of gas. I usually wait till about 1/8 tank and then fill up and put some Techron in. Was loosely watching the gauge and had about 1/4 tank, which jived with the 275miles on the trip odometer. Called AAA and requested a tow since I did not think it was out of gas having ran the gauge much lower many times. While waiting for the tow I walked across the highway to a auto repair place and borrowed a couple gallons of gas. Tried the car again and it started right up. Filled up on the way home and the amount of gas I was able to put in indicated that I did have close to 1/4 tank left when it quit. Any ideas?
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I would have swore this was posted in C5 General.....sounds like you have a bad sending unit like the old C5's.....BTDT.
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Originally Posted by pewter99
I would have swore this was posted in C5 General.....sounds like you have a bad sending unit like the old C5's.....BTDT.
This is exactly what my C5 did until I drowned the sending units in Techron over the course of six months.
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Originally Posted by HammerheadTed
Driving Home from a short trip and engine starts shaking and quits. Luckily I could get in the left turn lane of a moderately busy road. Tried several times to start it and it did act like it was out of gas. I usually wait till about 1/8 tank and then fill up and put some Techron in. Was loosely watching the gauge and had about 1/4 tank, which jived with the 275miles on the trip odometer. Called AAA and requested a tow since I did not think it was out of gas having ran the gauge much lower many times. While waiting for the tow I walked across the highway to a auto repair place and borrowed a couple gallons of gas. Tried the car again and it started right up. Filled up on the way home and the amount of gas I was able to put in indicated that I did have close to 1/4 tank left when it quit. Any ideas?
I'd guess a leaking/clogged jet pump in the right tank, or possibly a dirty fuel level sender.
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Just curious what's the point of Techron and why would I need it?
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Just curious what's the point of Techron and why would I need it?
It's a fuel system cleaner. If the fuel level senders are coated in gunk, causing high resistance, sometimes it can help. The problem usually comes back.
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Originally Posted by HammerheadTed
Filled up on the way home and the amount of gas I was able to put in indicated that I did have close to 1/4 tank left when it quit. Any ideas?

C6 fuel pump goes all the way to the bottom of the tank, and would bank that the bottom of your drivers side fuel pump plastic pick up area is cracked and why it's not drawing fuel past the tank 1/4 low point isntead.


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[QUOTE=Dano523;1597840185]C6 fuel pump goes all the way to the bottom of the tank, and would bank that the bottom of your drivers side fuel pump plastic pick up area is cracked and why it's not drawing fuel past the tank 1/4 low point isntead.


I have had the fuel gauge go to empty and DIC say “service fuel system” a few times, why I use Techron. This time it said the sending unit said there was gas in the tank and there was, but evidently it wouldn’t suck it up. Would the sending unit actually stop the car. This sounds more plausible to me.

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Car will run with a totally dead or disconnected sending unit. Dano's cracked pump diagnosis is logical from the reported facts.
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I never run my car under 1/2 on the fuel gage. When you do this on a regular basis, the passenger side fuel tank is empty and there is no lubrication to the fuel sender and pump on the passenger side tank. If you are adding gas when your gage is showing 1/8 - 1/4 full on a regular basis, I think you are asking for trouble. Have never had a problem filling my tank at the 1/2 point using 93 octane top tier gas.
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Originally Posted by Rick369
I never run my car under 1/2 on the fuel gage. When you do this on a regular basis, the passenger side fuel tank is empty and there is no lubrication to the fuel sender and pump on the passenger side tank. If you are adding gas when your gage is showing 1/8 - 1/4 full on a regular basis, I think you are asking for trouble. Have never had a problem filling my tank at the 1/2 point using 93 octane top tier gas.
My fuel gauge ALWAYS shows FULL. Why? Because it's a GARAGE QUEEN.


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Originally Posted by Dano523
C6 fuel pump goes all the way to the bottom of the tank, and would bank that the bottom of your drivers side fuel pump plastic pick up area is cracked and why it's not drawing fuel past the tank 1/4 low point isntead.

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Car will run with a totally dead or disconnected sending unit. Dano's cracked pump diagnosis is logical from the reported facts.
Except that 1/4 tank reading on the gauge means the right tank is totally empty and the left where the fuel pump is half full. Also the pump is sucking from the very bottom of the sump which is always being refilled. The whole assembly would have to be shattered and hanging from the top for the pump to not see half a tank of gas.
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Originally Posted by Rick369
I never run my car under 1/2 on the fuel gage. When you do this on a regular basis, the passenger side fuel tank is empty and there is no lubrication to the fuel sender and pump on the passenger side tank. If you are adding gas when your gage is showing 1/8 - 1/4 full on a regular basis, I think you are asking for trouble. Have never had a problem filling my tank at the 1/2 point using 93 octane top tier gas.
Except the pump on the right side is a venturi pump which means it has no moving parts and so no need for lubrication. I regularly run mine to the warning and, in 11 years as a daily driver have never had an issue. I HAVE had problems several times with previous cars running well past "empty" when the fuel pumps overheated and failed. But "empty" on this car means there is more than 2.5 gallons in the left tank where the fuel pump is. Even 1 gallon should be enough to keep the fuel pump cool although it probably is better to fill up when you get down less than 4.5 gallons (1/4 tank).

As far as the fuel sender in the right tank being dry, it is going to start having an issue as soon as any fuel is used. If you want to keep it wet all the time you are going to have to stop every few miles and refill the right tank. But that is also why you want to keep the tank totally full if you store the car over the winter.
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Originally Posted by HammerheadTed
Driving Home from a short trip and engine starts shaking and quits. Luckily I could get in the left turn lane of a moderately busy road. Tried several times to start it and it did act like it was out of gas. I usually wait till about 1/8 tank and then fill up and put some Techron in. Was loosely watching the gauge and had about 1/4 tank, which jived with the 275miles on the trip odometer. Called AAA and requested a tow since I did not think it was out of gas having ran the gauge much lower many times. While waiting for the tow I walked across the highway to a auto repair place and borrowed a couple gallons of gas. Tried the car again and it started right up. Filled up on the way home and the amount of gas I was able to put in indicated that I did have close to 1/4 tank left when it quit. Any ideas?
It's been a while since I posted a full description of the fuel tanks. http://www.hessh.de/Corvette/FuelTankSystem.pdf

With no other information I'm thinking fuel pump. But that may be totally wrong since it could just as easily be air or spark related. Get the codes read which will tell us if there is something obvious.

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Originally Posted by Rick369
I never run my car under 1/2 on the fuel gage. When you do this on a regular basis, the passenger side fuel tank is empty and there is no lubrication to the fuel sender and pump on the passenger side tank. If you are adding gas when your gage is showing 1/8 - 1/4 full on a regular basis, I think you are asking for trouble. Have never had a problem filling my tank at the 1/2 point using 93 octane top tier gas.
i usually run till 1/8 tank or so, use only Shell 93 and add Techron 2/3 of the time. Have driven about 10K a year since I got the car. Because of this I will be filling up at 200mi on the trip odometer, which should be a little under 1/2 tank.
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Originally Posted by FortMorganAl
It's been a while since I posted a full description of the fuel tanks. http://www.hessh.de/Corvette/FuelTankSystem.pdf

With no other information I'm thinking fuel pump. But that may be totally wrong since it could just as easily be air or spark related. Get the codes read which will tell us if there is something obvious.
i have a code reader and will try it today. Not sure how you do it, since normally you turn the key on to activate the readout. Never tried it on a keyless car.
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i have a code reader and will try it today. Not sure how you do it, since normally you turn the key on to activate the readout. Never tried it on a keyless car.
Do NOT press the brake pedal. Hold the bottom of the start button down for 10 seconds. First it will go to accessory mode. Then it will go to run mode just like turning the key to run but not starting a '53 Buick..
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Original full strength black bottle Techron is a great product. Use one bottle to about half a tank shortly before oil change.
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Originally Posted by hope2
Original full strength black bottle Techron is a great product. Use one bottle to about half a tank shortly before oil change.
OK....i'll bite cause inquiring minds must know. Why the Techron right before an oil change ??
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Originally Posted by windyC6
OK....i'll bite cause inquiring minds must know. Why the Techron right before an oil change ??
Back in the old days (like 30 years ago) this was a recommendation when using fuel system cleaners because it was believed they diluted the oil. I recall this being an "official" recommendation on my wife's 1985 Audi 5000. Don't know if there was any truth to it then, but there certainly doesn't seem to be any now.


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