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Old 10-08-2018, 08:51 PM
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This just happened and I have not looked at it yet. Driving home pushed in the clutch and it stayed down. Clutch is engaged as I drove the few miles home in third gear. 06 C6 I can pull the pedal up but when I push it down it stays. Maybe something simple just looking to see if this is a common issue. Thanks in Advance.
Old 10-08-2018, 09:07 PM
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Lots of threads on this. Dealership may fix it free of charge if your car falls under the criteria to meet the TSB. I think your cars needs to be under 10 years old and 120K miles, if I'm not mistaken.

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-to-floor.html

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-pressure.html

https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...loor-help.html
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Originally Posted by Richamer1
Maybe something simple just looking to see if this is a common issue.
Yes it is a common problem, why GM issued an extended warranty for owners providing falls w/in yr/mileage limits.
You probably would qualify for miles at <120K, but an '06 is 2 years too late.

Good news is in the world of C6 repairs, this one's (MC) a cheap fix, even cheaper if a DIY install.
FYI 'new' improved design/materials used in replacement MC eliminate the issue, forever.

Old 10-09-2018, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Landru
Yes it is a common problem, why GM issued an extended warranty for owners providing falls w/in yr/mileage limits.
You probably would qualify for miles at <120K, but an '06 is 2 years too late.

Good news is in the world of C6 repairs, this one's (MC) a cheap fix, even cheaper if a DIY install.
FYI 'new' improved design/materials used in replacement MC eliminate the issue, forever.
First I've heard about a "new & Improved" MC. When did that come out? Did it make it into any production cars?
Old 10-09-2018, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup
First I've heard about a "new & Improved" MC. When did that come out? Did it make it into any production cars?
According to the TSB:

Dealers are to replace the
clutch clutch
master cylinder master cylinder
with a revised unit that is more robust against pressure pulses, and that includes a new fluid reservoir with improved labeling for use of proper fluid.

As far as being OE on any cars, I thought I read at one time that it was. However the TSB covers 2005-2013 so I don't know.
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Just happened to me about 30 minutes ago. Fortunately, I had already started the car and started driving when it happened. I'm just glad it didn't happen to my wife. I managed to get the car home. Annoying to happen to a car with only 30k. I'll call the dealership tomorrow. I have a 2010, so I should be covered.

Thanks to the forum for the good info.
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Originally Posted by gn85
Just happened to me about 30 minutes ago. Fortunately, I had already started the car and started driving when it happened. I'm just glad it didn't happen to my wife. I managed to get the car home. Annoying to happen to a car with only 30k. I'll call the dealership tomorrow. I have a 2010, so I should be covered.

Thanks to the forum for the good info.
Just out of curiosity, how did you get it home?
Old 10-09-2018, 10:47 PM
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Glad to see my post is still being linked!

I know a lot of people got their problem fixed with a warranty, but my info is still invaluable for those who are out of the warranty period or maybe in the middle of nowhere during the holiday, in which case the dealer is no help.
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Originally Posted by jackjohnson_218
Just out of curiosity, how did you get it home?
I had just enough clutch to shift until I got to the highway. There was literally 1/2" of clutch left. I was surprised that it I had that much. When I got on the highway, there was no clutch travel at all.

From there, I kept it in 6th the ENTIRE way home. Clever driving, good handling around a few exits and no traffic lights or stops. I got lucky.

I just went outside and pulled the clutch pedal up and pushed it back down. It stayed down, but did allow me to start the car and move it. Again, I had maybe a 1/2" travel and that moved the car.

I'm calling the dealership in the morning.
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup
First I've heard about a "new & Improved" MC.
Different/improved material used w/ seals, IIRC failed seals allowed blow-by causing this issue, why fluid was always black.

When did that come out?
Guessing when GM got fed-up replacing 'em *&* before NTSB got involved.
Funny thing about this warranty was unless owner complained nothing would be done, it was not a formal recall.
Anyway after learning this here I complained and it was done at no cost on my '08 in '14.

Did it make it into any production cars?
I'm sure it did, only question's what MY so guessing '12-'13 & possibly earlier.
Salient point being if a C6 is w/in 10 yrs/120K MC's covered, just have to ask/complain to dealer.
And, it'll be w/ the upgraded component.

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I have 2 part #’s 19331708 and 19331709. Probably cannot get them to cover mine . 07 with 18 K on it . Which part # is the correct one ?
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^ Good question. It seems like every online seller has a different answer. Maybe check in person with your local dealer?
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The factory one from my 2009 Z06 is part number 12568371
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Originally Posted by ttx350z
Glad to see my post is still being linked!

I know a lot of people got their problem fixed with a warranty, but my info is still invaluable for those who are out of the warranty period or maybe in the middle of nowhere during the holiday, in which case the dealer is no help.
The search function is a great tool. Old posts or threads, if nothing else, are valuable for their educational contributions. Even if someone doesn't qualify for the TSB, it's still beneficial to educate one self as much as possible to make more informed decisions. It hasn't happened to me yet (clutch to the floor), but if or when it does I will be much better prepared thanks to this forum and its members.
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Originally Posted by Landru
Yes it is a common problem, why GM issued an extended warranty for owners providing falls w/in yr/mileage limits.
You probably would qualify for miles at <120K, but an '06 is 2 years too late.

Good news is in the world of C6 repairs, this one's (MC) a cheap fix, even cheaper if a DIY install.
FYI 'new' improved design/materials used in replacement MC eliminate the issue, forever.
the fix frm GM was replacing the MC with a new one from the ZR-1. Its black amd doesnt show how dirty the clutch fluid is

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Originally Posted by z06clif
the fix frm GM was replacing the MC with a new one from the ZR-1. Its black amd doesnt show how dirty the clutch fluid is

Clif
I think you’re talking about the reservoir.

The master cylinder has always been black, and you can’t see it unless you jack the car, remove the tire, and remove the fender liner access panel.
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Originally Posted by Richamer1
I have 2 part #’s 19331708 and 19331709. Probably cannot get them to cover mine . 07 with 18 K on it . Which part # is the correct one ?
The second one, 19331709, will have the black fluid reservoir.

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Originally Posted by z06clif
the fix frm GM was replacing the MC with a new one from the ZR-1. Its black amd doesnt show how dirty the clutch fluid is

Pretty cynical there clif, what'd GM ever do to you.

All I know for certain is the MC is improved vs ones in earlier MYs.
Plausible it'd be from ZR1, which didn't exist pre-'09.
Good clue re when GM started using it though, '10 the very earliest.
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Will GM only replace the master cylinder only in case of a failure, or can you just bring it in for the TSB bulletin replacement?
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Originally Posted by Ron'sGS
Will GM only replace the master cylinder only in case of a failure, or can you just bring it in for the TSB bulletin replacement?
They won't replace it preemptively, I've asked in passing at a few different dealerships. They told me it pretty much has to be towed in with the clutch pedal on the floor.

I have a 2011 Z06 and I'm thinking about replacing it myself as I'd rather spend the $140 and time than be broken down somewhere. I also ran across the two part numbers and the confusion about which fits what.

If you look at QuirkParts, it lists them as:

19331708 - Corvette. Without supercharger
19331709 - Corvette. With supercharger.

I'm not sure if that is completely accurate though. It would be nice to know what the real difference between the two parts is. I wonder if it might just be the reservoir color.

I also wonder if you can get away with replacing the master and not bleed the system. I know it seems to self bleed to a certain degree. I also noticed that the new part assembly appears to come full of fluid with a cap on the end. I haven't tried bleeding the clutch but I hear its a pain to get to the bleeder, so I wonder if filling up the reservoir and line are an attempt by GM to avoid bleeding them when replacing.


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