Thinking about tires
Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh Suburbs
Michelin tire has no connection to MT Tire company and MT recommends our stock 10" wheel for their 305/35x19 tire.Put your Michelin 305 on whatever they recommend.The tire your speaking of is a completely different tire.MT also recommends a minimum 9 1/2" wheel for their 305/45x17 and is what I use for that tire.I also use their recommended 10" wheel on the 19
You are still pinching the tire, you can't get around math, based on the width of the wheel, and the section width of the tire. I have no idea why anyone would recommend this..
Drifting
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From: Somewhere Near Bakersfield California
It's not just Michelin, just about *every* manufacture recommends this, except you, for whatever reason.
You are still pinching the tire, you can't get around math, based on the width of the wheel, and the section width of the tire. I have no idea why anyone would recommend this..
You are still pinching the tire, you can't get around math, based on the width of the wheel, and the section width of the tire. I have no idea why anyone would recommend this..
it's not about if it pinches or not because the tire company didnt recommend a 305 on a 10 inch wheel...
Im pretty sure a 305 on a 10 inch wheel does just fine on the track and doing burn outs and drifting and doing crazy stupid stuff. It ain't coming off. It's not debeading anytime soon with that set up either.
Maybe ask all the guys running 305 on 10 inch wheels how "pinchingly" regretful they feel about it.
Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh Suburbs
No thin skins here other than maybe you?
it's not about if it pinches or not because the tire company didnt recommend a 305 on a 10 inch wheel...
Im pretty sure a 305 on a 10 inch wheel does just fine on the track and doing burn outs and drifting and doing crazy stupid stuff. It ain't coming off. It's not debeading anytime soon with that set up either.
Maybe ask all the guys running 305 on 10 inch wheels how "pinchingly" regretful they feel about it.
it's not about if it pinches or not because the tire company didnt recommend a 305 on a 10 inch wheel...
Im pretty sure a 305 on a 10 inch wheel does just fine on the track and doing burn outs and drifting and doing crazy stupid stuff. It ain't coming off. It's not debeading anytime soon with that set up either.
Maybe ask all the guys running 305 on 10 inch wheels how "pinchingly" regretful they feel about it.
Yes, when you do it too much, safety and stability come into play, in terms of running over and over on a pinched tire..
When I warn about pinching a tire, I mean you are sacrificing the performance designed into the tire, so you can just be happy putting on a wider tire. Very common. If you are familiar with physics, you know that instead of this, you should run a tire within recommended specifications, and you will get *better* performance out of the tire. *Especially* for cornering..
Just look at for example, C5Z. (All manufactures adhere to this guideline in general!) They went with a 295 on a 10:5 inch wheel, right in the middle of recommended specifications, and a 265 on a 9.5" wheel, actually on the bigger wheel side of the equation. All Corvettes from C5 in fact adhere to what I am recommending, front and rear, it's a standard, for a reason.
Safety Car
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Hitman 396-Its not me that decides what MT recommends for wheel width on their tires.It is the MT engineers and they are quite good at their jobs or they wouldn't have one for very long.You are trying to compare apples to grapefruit,kinda the same just different.Neither of those tires will get pinched on the recommended rim width.You obviously have never owned or used either.I own both and use both and following MT recommendations car works quite well with their tire and will run a 1.30's 60ft.What kind of 60ft's are you getting with your Michelin's?Tires can legally be about 25mm larger or smaller than width stamped on tire.I guess you must be way above the MT engineers pay grade?
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Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh Suburbs
Hitman 396-Its not me that decides what MT recommends for wheel width on their tires.It is the MT engineers and they are quite good at their jobs or they wouldn't have one for very long.You are trying to compare apples to grapefruit,kinda the same just different.Neither of those tires will get pinched on the recommended rim width.You obviously have never owned or used either.I own both and use both and following MT recommendations car works quite well with their tire and will run a 1.30's 60ft.What kind of 60ft's are you getting with your Michelin"s.Tires can legally be about 25mm larger or smaller than width stamped on tire.
Generally recommending what you are saying is BAD advice, this is the fact of the matter. Maybe you should try corner carving, instead of straight line only. You will soon see what I'm talking about is STANDARD in the Auto world, for a high performance tire.
Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh Suburbs
You are totally incorrect
Ok, I found them, Micky Thomson tires, not on TireRack I believe.
HERE IS THE TEXT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TIRE PAGE ON THEIR SITE THAT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING YOU SAID:
That is, 305/25.4 = 12", +- 1", so a range of 11"-13" (LIKE TIRERACK RECOMMENDS ANYWAY).
You can thank me later..
HERE IS THE TEXT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TIRE PAGE ON THEIR SITE THAT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING YOU SAID:
ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE (EXCEPT ET STREET R, ET STREET R BIAS AND ET STREET S/S) FOR RIM WIDTH IS TREAD WIDTH PLUS OR MINUS ONE INCH.
You can thank me later..
Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh Suburbs
Indeed, those tires that were excluded, have UNIQUE recommendations. I do see where it's listed a 305/17 is measured on a 10" wheel......these must be some special tires, with strange sidewalls (apparently only for serious drag racing). Because this is NOT what is recommended on all high performance tires, from the factory or not.
Because this is NOT what is recommended on all high performance tires, from the factory or not.
Safety Car
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From: Oshawa, Ontario
Maybe try reading that again very slowly.MT ET STREET R-P305/45x17.......9 1/2" wheel as stated on MT's tire and rim chart.They are a street tire.For twists and turns I use a Kumho tire,if they are good enough for factory Viper ACR,their good enough for me and I'm not telling you what size they are.The tires aren't unique but you seem to be
Last edited by irok; Apr 8, 2020 at 10:48 AM.
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Drifting
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From: Somewhere Near Bakersfield California
its not that we are not getting along. Its Hitman saying that another member is giving "BAD advice" for fitting a 305 on a 10 inch wheel. When in fact that tire company perfectly recommends that tire for that wheel. Plus a 305 on a 10 inch wheel isnt even a bad thing at all. Making it seem like you'll lose performance or something, you arent losing performance. Why he would claim that? It beats me
Melting Slicks
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From: Raleigh Suburbs
This is the recommendation FROM MT THEMSELVES, read it very carefully, and run the numbers, then decide if you want to go by one dude's wack 305/10 combo, or the industry standard.
ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE (EXCEPT ET STREET R, ET STREET R BIAS AND ET STREET S/S) FOR RIM WIDTH IS TREAD WIDTH PLUS OR MINUS ONE INCH.
Safety Car
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From: Oshawa, Ontario
Some people have no reading comprehension skills and if you look at MT's tire and wheel chart it show's 9 1/2" rim for the 305/45x17 and 10" rim for the 305/35x19.Page 248 of the Summit March-April 2017 catalog
Last edited by irok; Apr 8, 2020 at 11:12 AM.
Melting Slicks
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You keep bringing up this mysterious MT tire, that goes against standard convention. Are you just trying to justify your setup, or what ? It's a known fact what I'm referring to, which you have not mentioned. Check ANY of the high performance tires on TireRack, or talk to your local Discount Tire, and they will tell you the same thing. Please don't spread misinformation just because your setup is outside of the norm.
Safety Car
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Nothing mysterious about Mickey Thompson tire or Nitto tire or Hoosier tire or M&H tire.I know you said in several posts that you are confused but the tire charts for all of these tire makers will explain it to you.Each one of them recommend a 10" or 9 1/2"rim for their 305 and Hoosier even recommends a 10" for their 315.Some people are harder to help than others but most figure it out sooner or later.Disreguard your Michelin tire chart as we are not comparing apples to grapefruit.Nothing outside the norm in my set up
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Melting Slicks
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Yes, there is a difference, you seem to be quoting drag radials, which *some*, not all, have different requirements. Prolly because of the loose sidewalls. That's the only issue here.
NO high performance tire is acceptable to run a 305 on 10" rim, for example, Michelin, BFG, Goodyear, Yokohama, Firestone, I could go on.
NO high performance tire is acceptable to run a 305 on 10" rim, for example, Michelin, BFG, Goodyear, Yokohama, Firestone, I could go on.
Race Director
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Here is what I use to see what width wheel fits any certain size tire .....
https://tiresize.com/chart/
Just click the wheel diameter and then click the size tire .... it will tell you the recommended wheel width for that size tire.
IE: . . 305/45 -17 tire takes a 9.5"-11.5" wide wheel
. . . . .305/35 -19 tire takes a 10"-12" wide wheel
. .. . . 305/30 -19 tire takes a 10.5-11.5" wide wheel
.
https://tiresize.com/chart/
Just click the wheel diameter and then click the size tire .... it will tell you the recommended wheel width for that size tire.
IE: . . 305/45 -17 tire takes a 9.5"-11.5" wide wheel
. . . . .305/35 -19 tire takes a 10"-12" wide wheel
. .. . . 305/30 -19 tire takes a 10.5-11.5" wide wheel
.
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Drifting
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Yes, there is a difference, you seem to be quoting drag radials, which *some*, not all, have different requirements. Prolly because of the loose sidewalls. That's the only issue here.
NO high performance tire is acceptable to run a 305 on 10" rim, for example, Michelin, BFG, Goodyear, Yokohama, Firestone, I could go on.
NO high performance tire is acceptable to run a 305 on 10" rim, for example, Michelin, BFG, Goodyear, Yokohama, Firestone, I could go on.
Also different tire meant for different purposes.
On top of that, a 305 summer tire on a 10 inch wheel is not unethical friend.
whether or not the tire maker doesnt have it for their reccomendation or not doesnt mean it wont work perfectly fine
Last edited by Jaime-Corvette; Apr 8, 2020 at 01:13 PM.
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As a matter of fact, I have a set of ET Street S/S drag radials (size 305/45 -17) on the back of my GS ... Have them mounted on a 11" wide wheel
That's pretty much right in the middle of the 9.5"-11.5" recommended width
That's pretty much right in the middle of the 9.5"-11.5" recommended width