With GM going all electric in 2035 will all of our Corvettes with internal combustion engines become collector items ? or just put out to pasture

 

Neither. There’s currently something like 1 billion or more ice vehicles on the road. Where are they all going to go, in our front yards as decorations?

The US doesn’t have the charging infrastructure to support everyone having electric vehicles and won’t for many decades.

The median household income in the US is only $64k/year; where is everyone getting $ to dump their ice car(s) and buy a brand new electric car(s)?

It’s all much ado about nothing at this point.

 

^ This. It's all just pretty words to boost stock prices and raise money for R&D. They gotta look good to the "green" crowd, especially with the new administration.

 

ICE cars will be around and viable past most of our life times…

Personally I find the increasing amount of tech in new vehicles more of threat then the extinction of the ICE.



Parts availability, constantly changing vendors, limited model runs and poor reliability of replacements parts, poorly engineered new products…troubles me more.

 

I'm an old fart. So I think I will hold on to my C6. I was going to upgrade to C8. But I'll just stay where I'm at

 

Feel free to put yours out to pasture. I am not giving in so easily.

 

Fourteen years from now, if I'm fortunate enough to still be alive, I won't give a ****!I am an old hot-rodding fart, gasoline til I die!

 

If we reduce our reliance on gasoline before the dino oil runs out hopefully gas prices won't skyrocket. As long as gas is cheap people will still drive ICE cars. We have a long ways to go to convert our gas stations to electric superchargers. Gas powered will still be around for a long time.

 

Not going to happen.

 

Running out of petrolium is myth

 

My take,
Typical Standford Masters Grad thinking (short term thoughts to increase the current upcoming P&L's ), but down the wrong path for someone after her retirement to clean up the mess (if possible), and may end up with the same problem that IBM had when they went they same way of short term P&L increase/focus, but long term killed them instead.



Bluntly, instead of trying to following say Tesla that does have forseen problems (disposable of lithium batteries as EPA cracks down on that increasing problem in land fills, the amount of lithium battery fires as the batteries do cycle out/burn for days, much less the huge needed power grids increase for all the charging stations more EC cars go on the road), GM should be focusing on improving the performance of crud/CNG engines at the same time.
Note, CA already has power grip problems in the summer time now, so can just see it when A/C's are banned in the state, so there is enough power to charge all the increased EV cars instead. Wait, could it be that CA already saw that problem ahead of time, and why most of there buses are running on CNG now.

So lets take the diesel engines that we already know how to keep them running clean (SCR),and uses them in the lighter EV type cars. With them revving lower, and putting out gobs of torque at the same time, not hard to have a car that gets 100mpg and conforms with the stricter EPA emission standards as they increase.
https://www.motherearthnews.com/gree...r-zm0z13amzmar

If we want to talk about petrol engines, then we get into improved combustion and valve designs that are already happening,and even better injection systems that the aerospace engineers have been using on the turbines to improve their performance too. Hell, there are CNG engines that can be tossed into the mix as the same time.

Now combine these cleaner burning/more efficient engines in Hybrid cars that will not need to rely on increased power grids for charging stations, and such makes way more sense long term instead.


Bottom line, for GM to put all its eggs in the EV only cars basket focus for its future, its setting itself up for failure long term, since the problems with such are well currently with no solutions now (short of building more/ firing up the nuclear reactors again for just the increased demands on the power grids, and which would go over like a ton of bricks in all the states).

As for say Crud oil or natural gas use, they not going away, since it still needed for it's other parts they produce, and can just image when the time comes that there is no cars to dispose of say petrol to burn it off, then what the hell are you going to do with it. My guess, use if for all the needed new power stations to supply the grid with the extra needed power for EV charging. So instead of the cars doing the immediate pollution themselves, it will be the power stations that will get the EPA Waivers to burn it instead (around, around the merry go round of politics we go).
https://www.wsj.com/articles/toyotas...ed-11608196665

 

 

Flying cars, that's the future. Remember?

 

Yep, I was supposed to have my own Jet Pack a long time ago.

 

This all somewhat frightening if you let it, But there are some things we need to keep in mind, I don't care if GM starts tomorrow producing all electric cars, We DO NOT HAVE A ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTER TO CHARGE THEM. As it is, during the long hot summer's we have "Brown Outs" just powering A/C units across the country ! Where's the Juice going to come from ? there are 0% new powerplants on line right now ! And since Coal power is in decline, It's questionable what or where the power to charge these EV's and the Country is going to come from. Petroleum is deeply etched into our very way of life, Just like Food. "Stating that we're going all electric," is like saying we're going to close all supermarkets, where would everyone get enough food ? We can't feed the entire population now ! Are we going to change how we commute, You bet, But not tomorrow or the next 20- 30 years ! It's all very brash and boastful, but there isn't any planning or really concrete thinking behind it. We'll be using GASOLINE for the foreseeable future ! Rest assured.

 

Here’s a thought, with all the electronics we use today and just thinking about electric cars makes me wonder where all these batteries will come from. These idiots pushing electric vehicles are not thinking clearly. I don’t think the earth has the natural resources to support building batteries for all the cars people will need plus all the other things that use batteries. On top of that imagine the electrical power that would be required to charge and recharge all the electric cars even if everyone could afford an electric car! This whole electric car idea is madness and it’s being pushed by people who don’t know what they are doing.

 

Petroleum fuels will always be needed to power the many wreckers it's going to take to pull all those dead EV's off the roads. All EVs not going to happen in our life time.

 

Real irony of battery powered cars is that none of the vehicles in their supply chain use anything other than ICE for power. All the mining equipment, transportation equipment, etc all are ICE, most with little to no emissions controls.

 

Couple of doses of reality:

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Earth is flat, and Lizard people walk amongst us...