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If you dont want to pull codes and see if a sensor is misbehaving, borrow some stock size wheels from someone local and see if you have the same problem.
Where can I have the codes pulled? I do the basics but scanning and computer related stuff is stuff I don't mess with quiet yet.
Also about the tire size. When I was was running the 295/50/17 in the rear with 255/35/18 on the front, the car didn't have this issue. I eventually switched to pilot sports 4s because I can't daily a drag pack of course, switched to 255/35/18 fronts, 295/40/19 rears and the issue has only happened on this size as well as my stock set with stock tire sizes.
I've been reading countless threads and i'm either guessing it's a wheel speed sensor or the steering wheel position sensor throwing something off.
Can anyone confirm whether or not the column lock mechanism is directly related to traction control and could throw the rear end out like it's doing.
Thanks for the help everyone, I keep trying new stuff when I come across it i'll let you know what the fix is when I find it
That tire size is almost definitely a problem, when you hit a certain speed the car thinks it is losing traction. Running a 25" tire with a 28" tire is too much of a difference. They need to be closer in diameter with the fronts a little smaller than the rears. There is an exact ratio. Play with a tire calculator a little bit and you'll see. I'm surprised the drag pack didn't freak it out too
That tire size is almost definitely a problem, when you hit a certain speed the car thinks it is losing traction. Running a 25" tire with a 28" tire is too much of a difference. They need to be closer in diameter with the fronts a little smaller than the rears. There is an exact ratio. Play with a tire calculator a little bit and you'll see. I'm surprised the drag pack didn't freak it out too
The rears are actually a 295/30/19, just went outside and double checked. When I ordered the sizes I also did research through forums and everything I read said that the sizes I went with are still within the certain percentage to not upset the computer while still gaining some width for traction.
On the stock run flats with stock wheels I was having the issue occur as well. That's when I upgraded to a set of Advans, then got a drag pack, now to the pilot sport 4s. Run flats were the only stock sizes
There is something wrong with your car, regardless of everybody's criticism. "Service Traction System" indicates a fault. There will be DTCs stored in the EBCM (the ABS computer).
Your next step is to retrieve the DTCs. This will require a GM ABS-aware scan tool. A cheapo generic tool will not see them. You can use a Tech 2, or its official replacements, or a higher-end Autel or Snap-On or whatever. You need to retrieve the DTCs to find out why the EBCM turned on the service light. Could be a wheel speed sensor. Could be an accelerometer. Could be a lot of things.
Watch your front/rear tire diameter ratio. If you change it too far from stock, the computer will think a wheel is spinning.
Exactly this. I don't understand why people will ask random folks on the internet to take wild guesses about their problem, rather than asking the car to tell them exactly what it's complaining about. It definitely has info stored since it's thrown the "service active handling" and "service column lock" messages. It probably has some other good info stored away in there, too.
Exactly this. I don't understand why people will ask random folks on the internet to take wild guesses about their problem, rather than asking the car to tell them exactly what it's complaining about. It definitely has info stored since it's thrown the "service active handling" and "service column lock" messages. It probably has some other good info stored away in there, too.
Like I said, computer related issues are something beyond what im willing to dabble into, im only 21 and all the knowledge and work i've done on my car is stuff I taught myself in the 5 years i've had my license. To my knowledge, I didn't know the car would throw codes unless it had a check engine light. Im on the west coast of florida so not close enough to have you look at it. I'll call around and see if anyone is able to scan it. What exactly would I would be asking them to do? Just scan stored codes?
When you get a "check engine light the codes are stored in the PCM ,but your car can store codes in other moduals as well . In this case the EBCM or elecrtonic brake control . The codes will likely lead you to the the issue. The car wants to tell you whats wrong, so ask it. Get the codes.
Ignore all posts telling you to drive differently or about physics. None are at all related to your situation.
You are experiencing an ESC/TC system fault.
Getting acquainted with reading codes from the ECU should be even more rudimentary nowadays than knowing how to change your oil. The ECU trouble codes are extremely helpful in finding issues. You can even find "soft codes" reading the ECU for issues that are not yet significant enough to trigger a CEL or any warning message at all
You can get a gm specific code reader on Amazon for around 100 bucks.
And yes I think you are on the right track of abs/speed sensor or front to rear tire diameter. You should be running a tire size calculator on stock tire sizes and yours. You should be within 3 percent of OEM or you will get faults
Like I said, computer related issues are something beyond what im willing to dabble into, im only 21 and all the knowledge and work i've done on my car is stuff I taught myself in the 5 years i've had my license. To my knowledge, I didn't know the car would throw codes unless it had a check engine light. Im on the west coast of florida so not close enough to have you look at it. I'll call around and see if anyone is able to scan it. What exactly would I would be asking them to do? Just scan stored codes?
Unfortunately the AutoZone free scan isn't going to tell you anything -- exactly as kestell123 said, codes are stored in different places in this car. If you had a check engine light then a free scan like that would tell you what that light was for. But this kind of code is stored in another module so you need a more expensive scanner, basically. Any good shop should be able to do it, or a GM dealer. I was hoping maybe someone on here might be close enough to you -- you might could start a thread in the scan & tune subforum with your location asking if anyone can help scan your car. Lots of people have bought their own chinese Tech2 clone or similar and would probably be happy to help you diagnose.
I'd be willing to bet it's your steering position signal but that's just a guess, not the best way to diagnose problems.
You can get this on Amazon if it's in your budget, but I will tell you it is NOT easy to set up and get working. You need a Windows laptop to use it. If you aren't decent with computers you might just end up super pissed off with it and out $120. It's what I use for this type of thing.
Here is the GM scan tool we're using with our c8 models too. Works on all. It's stand alone and even does special functions
2023 Launch X431 Elite Bidirectional Tool fit for Chrysler Dodge Jeep, FCA Autoauth, Full System Diagnostic Scanner, All Resets, Battery Registration, Key Programming, AutoVIN, Lifetime Free Update
Ignore all posts telling you to drive differently or about physics. None are at all related to your situation.
You are experiencing an ESC/TC system fault.
Getting acquainted with reading codes from the ECU should be even more rudimentary nowadays than knowing how to change your oil. The ECU trouble codes are extremely helpful in finding issues. You can even find "soft codes" reading the ECU for issues that are not yet significant enough to trigger a CEL or any warning message at all
You can get a gm specific code reader on Amazon for around 100 bucks.
And yes I think you are on the right track of abs/speed sensor or front to rear tire diameter. You should be running a tire size calculator on stock tire sizes and yours. You should be within 3 percent of OEM or you will get faults
Thanks for a normal response finally. Blows my mind that the people giving rude responses are convinced i'm going flat out in 2nd gear around corners. It's only ever been an issue in a straight line, I can take corners without any issues.
I went ahead and ordered a VCX GM scanner yesterday that will be here tomorrow per another thread with a similar issue. He ended up just having a corroded SWPS connection and some grease and a zip tie to tighten up the connection fixed the issue. I'll find out tomorrow when i'm able to access the codes.
As far as I know and from what I read when I ordered the tires, it's within the certain percentage to keep the computer happy but I will definitely double check it.
Sucks that such a fun car is so dangerous right now because I got it to go fast and can't even go WOT without the risk of spinning out at 70+. Hoping the issue I find is an easy fix and I can go have some fun with the car again. Planning do the HCI within the next 6 months
Thanks for a normal response finally. Blows my mind that the people giving rude responses are convinced i'm going flat out in 2nd gear around corners. It's only ever been an issue in a straight line, I can take corners without any issues.
I went ahead and ordered a VCX GM scanner yesterday that will be here tomorrow per another thread with a similar issue. He ended up just having a corroded SWPS connection and some grease and a zip tie to tighten up the connection fixed the issue. I'll find out tomorrow when i'm able to access the codes.
As far as I know and from what I read when I ordered the tires, it's within the certain percentage to keep the computer happy but I will definitely double check it.
Sucks that such a fun car is so dangerous right now because I got it to go fast and can't even go WOT without the risk of spinning out at 70+. Hoping the issue I find is an easy fix and I can go have some fun with the car again. Planning do the HCI within the next 6 months
Other people were trying to help you, too. A lot of them, actually. That "finally" bullshit is definitely a good way to get people to keep treating you like you're the problem.
Other people were trying to help you, too. A lot of them, actually. That "finally" bullshit is definitely a good way to get people to keep treating you like you're the problem.
I came here saying I was having a computer issue asking for help or to be pointed in the right direction and got told I need to put in seat time and learn how to drive. If that's being helped than sure I got a lot of help. Took me almost 2 weeks for someone to tell me to get a scanner and look at the codes the car is throwing. It's frustrating asking for help with a computer issue and getting bashed on my first post for "not knowing how to drive"
I came here saying I was having a computer issue asking for help or to be pointed in the right direction and got told I need to put in seat time and learn how to drive. If that's being helped than sure I got a lot of help. Took me almost 2 weeks for someone to tell me to get a scanner and look at the codes the car is throwing. It's frustrating asking for help with a computer issue and getting bashed on my first post for "not knowing how to drive"
Fair enough man. Welcome to the internet. I tried to help, a few others did too. Hell I even told you how and where to ask your question to see if you could get better help. I hope you get it figured out, ********.
Time to put some seat time in and learn how to feather the throttle.
Originally Posted by BurntOut
Driver error it is. Driving a light and moderately high HP car on the street takes patience.
Originally Posted by cyclesailor955
It all comes down to "Do you have any idea what the result of standing on the throttle with cornering ?"
Originally Posted by wjnjr
Physics is a bitch
Originally Posted by BrandonM7
Fair enough man. Welcome to the internet. I tried to help, a few others did too. Hell I even told you how and where to ask your question to see if you could get better help. I hope you get it figured out, ********.
If this is help than idk why I even bothered coming here, you had one of the few responses that actually lead me somewhere with some advice and I took it, and here you are calling me a ********
If this is help than idk why I even bothered coming here, you had one of the few responses that actually lead me somewhere with some advice and I took it, and here you are calling me a ********
Look to the help, ignore the rest. The world is full of ********* and helpers. I'll keep helping you if you need it, but I'll also keep calling you a ******** if you fixate on those other ********* instead of the help
