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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 04:49 PM
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Shooter,

Take your car to Bob Weaver and get it fixed. They have two very good Corvette techs that have worked there for over 20 years.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 05:18 PM
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wish you good luck....hope it all works out,,hang in there.

I would try to give back the car under lemon law and get another. IMHO.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 05:26 PM
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This is very discouraging, to say the least. What bothers me more than anything else is that GM doesn't seem to know WHY this is happening to some cars. The fix, assuming it is really a fix, is not being applied retroactively to unaffected cars, so why do some crank pulleys fail while most do not? I'd be much more comfortable with this if GM were in a position to say something like they've found a small lot of bad bolts or something. The not knowing part is what makes me uncomfortable about this.

So far, with about 1100 miles and some very hard driviing, my pulley looks perfect, so I'll keep my fingers crossed and keep on checking.

Good luck with yours. I think it will either be fixed properly the next time or a new car will be the next option offered to you.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 05:48 PM
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whats the first indication of a pulley problem? I am getting concerned. No problems yet. I check once a week. I wanna take it for a few hundred mile drive soon and now afraid to because I don't want to get stuck in some remote area.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 06:12 PM
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The first time it happened the first clue was a ticking noise. Followed by lots of other stuff...

The second time it was a vibration in the steering wheel. Pulley far enough forward to make contact with steering rack, vibration was followed by loud grinding.

Sedate driving seems to rarely cause the problem. Both times my driving was spirited to say the least.

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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 06:44 PM
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I'm just trying to be logical here, not trying to be Mr. Smarty Pants, but what do you hope to gain by invoking the lemon law? They buy your car back, and you buy another one that has the exact same problem! It's more logical to me to stick with it until you get the right fix for this problem, installed correctly. That way you'll know you're done with it. Even if GM were to give you a brand new car today, there's no guarantee it wouldn't have the same problem. And if it did, you'd be stuck with the same dealer's experience (or lack thereof) in fixing it, lack of readily available GM parts and information to fix it, delays, etc.

Seems sorta crazy to just swap your car for another one just on the gamble that the new one won't have the same issue. We don't even have any information right now as to whether the problem has been corrected on the assembly line or not.

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Mike, I follow your logic. Yes he could be trading one problem for another or the same thing. But Lord knows what the mechanics at the dealership have done - shimmed - jury rigged - bent - scraped - twisted etc. They get paid flat rate. If the book sez it's a 4 hr job, that's what they get paid. Not by any means trashing the service guys but the 25 yr old that’s doing the work may not have the work ethic that one would expect. That’s like a disaster waiting to happen. Shooter – invoke the Lemon Law if possible.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 07:00 PM
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I was told from a very reliable source that once the pulley comes loose damage is done and in some cases its not easily reversed. The thing is its the same setup as on the c5 so whats the problem?
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 07:13 PM
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I agree with the thread which said that you get afraid to drive the car even with no issues. I too find myself 'checking' the belt and pully every few days, which is . Especially for a 50K+ car.

It wont take much more bad press on this and GM as well as other C-6 owners will have a mess on their hands. GM with a bad image for the C-6 and the owners with a fast depreciating Corvette in theri garage.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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I said this in the last thread about this, your dealers mechanic ain't worth squat. It is not a big deal to keep a bolt from backing out. A simple round washer pinned in place and bent over will cure the problem forever, Loctite also works, safety wire, I can come up with many more. Inexperienced mechanics scare me to death.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by StanNH
This is very discouraging, to say the least. What bothers me more than anything else is that GM doesn't seem to know WHY this is happening to some cars. The fix, assuming it is really a fix, is not being applied retroactively to unaffected cars, so why do some crank pulleys fail while most do not? I'd be much more comfortable with this if GM were in a position to say something like they've found a small lot of bad bolts or something. The not knowing part is what makes me uncomfortable about this.


That's my point exactly. I suspect GM knows full well what caused this, and my guess would be that they determined that only a small percentage of cars are affected which is why they are not recalling them. Like the 5th gear issue in the manual tranny, it sounds to me like they have a certain number (several hundred maybe) cars affected by a bad part, forgotten piece, improperly done procedure, etc.

The thing that bothers me even more is that the washer/bolt fix really smacks of a bandaid fix to me. Why do only a few cars seem to need a screwy part and even screwier procedure to fix? It sounds to me like they've determined how to fix it, but the fix involves adding something and doing something that is unnecessary if the original problem (whatever is really causing the crank pulleys to come off) didn't exist to begin with. I'll even venture further with my WAGs and say that I wouldn't be surprised if the problem was determined to be either bad crank pulleys or a bad end on the crank itself where the two parts didn't "mate" properly. Maybe someone did a cost/benefit analysis of some fixes and it was determined that the washer/bolt/screwy-procedure fix would do the trick and would save GM a lot of money on labor and parts compared to them replacing the part that was really causing the problem. Until GM fesses up to what's really going on, all we can do is guess.

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Originally Posted by mikeyc6
I'm just trying to be logical here, not trying to be Mr. Smarty Pants, but what do you hope to gain by invoking the lemon law? They buy your car back, and you buy another one that has the exact same problem! It's more logical to me to stick with it until you get the right fix for this problem, installed correctly. That way you'll know you're done with it. Even if GM were to give you a brand new car today, there's no guarantee it wouldn't have the same problem. And if it did, you'd be stuck with the same dealer's experience (or lack thereof) in fixing it, lack of readily available GM parts and information to fix it, delays, etc.

Seems sorta crazy to just swap your car for another one just on the gamble that the new one won't have the same issue. We don't even have any information right now as to whether the problem has been corrected on the assembly line or not.

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It is called a fresh start. You mentioned LOGIC.Logic to me says that if you got a bad one and you have only so much time to have it fixed--and the window of opportunity is closing to get this thorn removed --I would say it is illogical to want to hold onto it because the next one may have the same problem. With the next one the LEMON CLOCK IS RE-SET. All of us who have experienced this problem wanted nothing more than to have our cars fixed.

''Crazy to swap your car for another one just on the gamble that the new one won't have the same issue''----now that is illogical. Think about it. What you are saying is give up your chance to get away from a lemon. If the next one has the same problems --then we have the right to begin anew.

GENERAL MOTORS COULD BE DOING MORE TO CORRECT THE PROBLEMS. TO HOLD ONTO THE FACT THAT IT WILL ''SOMEDAY'' BE POSSIBLY RECTIFIED IS WHAT IS NOT LOGICAL.

The fact is that most c6's do not experience this problem..The fact is that most c6's that have experienced this problem have been a nightmare for the owners as well as the selling dealers. The fact is that GM has not rushed to ;

1. ACKNOWLEDGE THE PROBLEM

2. OFFER DEALERS AND OWNERS SUPPORT

3.EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM

4. DETAIL A FIX THAT WILL INDEED BE A FIX.

By your logic ,we shall stick by our cars come hell or high water. We should allow our opportunity to get away from our problem to pass ----because the next car may be afflicted with the same ailment.

LUDICROUS--NOT AT ALL LOGICAL---GM BETTER GET OFF THEIR BUTTS AND I WOULD THANK YOU FOR THE INPUT IF I COULD.
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Old Dec 17, 2004 | 09:07 PM
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It's a really bad assumption that GM knows what is causing the problem. From all the reports on this board about this and the type of fixes they are trying, it seems to me that they don't know what is going on. Of course, that might even be more worrysome, but it is a different problem than simply not wanting to recall the cars.

Now, perhaps this problem hasn't been escalated to the "highest priority" and they could put more effort into it. If this isn't the first priority, then there's a complaint.
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Originally Posted by TedG
I said this in the last thread about this, your dealers mechanic ain't worth squat. It is not a big deal to keep a bolt from backing out. A simple round washer pinned in place and bent over will cure the problem forever, Loctite also works, safety wire, I can come up with many more. Inexperienced mechanics scare me to death.
Not to cause a fuss, but how about authoriztion and reimbursement to the dealer. From my understanding the dealer is only permitted to do the ''fix'' that is approved and in turn paid by the factory. I believe that you could fix my car--I also believe that the mechanic working on my car is also highly competent--he is limited by GM.
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Originally Posted by SHOOTER 49
Not to cause a fuss, but how about authoriztion and reimbursement to the dealer. From my understanding the dealer is only permitted to do the ''fix'' that is approved and in turn paid by the factory. I believe that you could fix my car--I also believe that the mechanic working on my car is also highly competent--he is limited by GM.
No, as a matter of fact they have a lot of leeway, a proper attempt at repair is paid for. Getting a car on the road is a first priority. GM looks to the dealers for input on problems as well as repair. The dealer is the only communication conduit for problems, the dealer determines, if it is a problem and determines most repairs.
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Well I have a little experience with this and all I have to say is:

Drive 'em for all they're worth. Don't baby the car so it won't happen. Push it until it does or doesn't without obviously abusing it. They told me the last time I got it back 3,400 miles ago push it to test the fix and I have. Mydealer has been aces!
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by bangbgC6
Well I have a little experience with this and all I have to say is:

Drive 'em for all they're worth. Don't baby the car so it won't happen. Push it until it does or doesn't without obviously abusing it. They told me the last time I got it back 3,400 miles ago push it to test the fix and I have. Mydealer has been aces!
Thanks for letting those out there know that there is a fix for this uncommon problem....
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I cant speak for your state but in Connecticut it is a total of 30 calander days NOT business days.
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by stlthxlr8r
I cant speak for your state but in Connecticut it is a total of 30 calander days NOT business days.
Same in Pa.--
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by stlthxlr8r
I cant speak for your state but in Connecticut it is a total of 30 calander days NOT business days.
I think it's that way here in CA too. I think that because when told about it I remember thinking how weird it was a rule would actually be in my favor!
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Old Dec 18, 2004 | 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SHOOTER 49
The fact is that most c6's do not experience this problem.
Yet!

I hope you are right, and that the percentage doesn't really go up after we start getting to the 10,000 mile mark and beyond and then most of us do start having the problem later on.

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