GeneCamaro

The crazy part is GM made the ZR1 to be a grand tourer every day driver. Porsche's GT2RS is a more track oriented car. I'd love to see a track oriented ZR1 along the lines of the GT2RS or Viper ACR. That 7:18 N-ring time would get crushed.

GeneCamaro

Can you please go into more detail on how you come up with that conclusion?

yellerz51

Sure...

A poster stated that Porsche could not come up with a car that was 120K that could hang with the ZR1.

In reality the ZR1 is not on par with the PDK car to begin with. It's missing 2 key and very expensive features. The AWD and the PDK, allowing all weather operation and automatic full boost gear changes.

If you were to add the features to a ZR1 the price (and acceleration performance) would go up for certain.

The point is that even though the 911 costs more money it's not like you don't get something for the delta in price.

zeshawn

I wanna see an AWD ZR1 with a 7-speed DCT, I want to see first gear shift at 40mph and not 63+ and so on so forth, and still get a 7th gear to lug the car the highway.

acceleration will be BRUTAL.

NeverT00Fast

Funny you used that red one as an example....

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/g...tory-here.html

Like I said to Onerareviper, you get what you pay for. I wish anybody luck who picks up a CGT for $250k with low miles.

JDRacing

Any info on the severity of the accident? Just curious because I went on the CarFax report and couldn't link up to it.

NeverT00Fast

Not sure.

But this is what comes up from the carfax report.

http://www.motorcarsofhollywood.com/...ll-4829384.pdf

EDIT

Someone found the pics of the damage

Onerareviper

I admit I'm no expert on the pricing of these cars. You win. But I did see a good many in the 300K range when I did a quick search. 250K being the lowest. Although this 250K model appears to 'have a story', I suspect there are a few nice ones in that group. I'm sure knocking 30K off the price of a used 300K car in a weak economy is not uncommon, if not more. And that would put it at about the price you're going to pay for the new GT2 RS. GT2 RS's will not be discounted, and may go for more than MSRP due to limited availability. That was my only point.... For the same price (or DARN close), you can get a nice Carrera GT. Even if you up the price to $350,000 (which I think you'd agree an EXTREMELY nice Carrera GT can be had), the real sales price would probably be around 300K due to economy/demand. Plus a saving on sales tax in some circumstances. That puts it a stones throw from a GT2 RS in price. I know which car I'd pick.... The Carrera GT is a work of art! The 997 GT2 RS is merely an uber-version of a $70,000 car.

NeverT00Fast

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...a-gt-help.html

http://www.chicagomotorcars.com/web/...ICAGO-Illinois

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/a...gt-silver.html

The silver one appears to be the best deal, but I doubt the guy would go 25% below his asking from 325k to 250k even in this crappy economy. I mean you might find the right person with the right car at the right time. But even at 300k, I'm willing to bet he'll sell the car very quickly. There's just not enough people selling clean example of these cars. Most of the ones for sale cheap are always story cars.

I don't think it really matters if a nice example of CGT could be had for $250k or $300k. A person that can afford a $250k can afford a $300k car also, and I know if I'm that person I'd also pick the CGT over the GT2 RS. And after that If i had another $250k laying around, I might look into the RS. Which reminds me, I need to go play the mega millions.

bgreen83

Also the CGT doesn't look like any other porsche and is sounds nasty

JDRacing

Thanks for posting this. I usually don't like the odd interior color combinations, but the interior of that silver CGT just looks beautiful, IMO. Nice car, and yeah, I'd gladly give up my ZR1 for it. I still believe the CGT is one of the nicest balanced and overall performing street vehicles ever produced.

DJackman

I've always been a fan of the 911s. But at a quarter of a million bucks, I will not spend it on 6 cyl. car. Sorry Porsche.

Notch

I'm reminded of what Mark Twain said (my car interpretations added) ...“It's not the size (6 cyl.) of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight (620 hp) in the dog.”

DJackman

Im just curious, would you still buy your Vette if it had a boosted 4cyl turbo engine that makes more HP than your V8??

JustinStrife

I know I wouldn't. I came from the import scene with that stuff. I love me some V8 power.

Notch

All other things being equal (for example reliability), yes.

lennon31987

Amazing car, still rather own a Carrera GT

Guibo

The reality is that it's almost impossible to have all other things being equal. I can almost guarantee that a turbocharged-4 making Corvette levels of power will suffer severe lag issues. The standard GT2 is already noted in reviews for somewhat laggy response, and I'd be surprised if this more powerful one is any better. That's partially why the GT3 and GT3 RS are typically regarded as superior track cars despite being slower: more instant and predictable throttle response. Which I'd imagine the CGT has over the GT2 as well.

Joe_Planet

GM gave the zr1 638 hp and ****ty *** street tires! Does that make ANY sense to anyone?
Ditch the retarded carbon ceramic brakes and giant rims and go with a stickier tire like a pilot sport cup just like porsche!

Notch

It really depends on how the system is engineered.

I think there is a thread on the forum that shows a 997 Turbo vs a ZR1. Does it appear to you that the Turbo is suffering from "laggy response"?