Guibo

Porsche also tends to time their laps while running in traffic during industry days. The tires are are probably closer than you'd think. The Cup+ tires aren't the same as regular MPSC's. I'd guess the ZR1 might be 5 seconds faster without runflats though.

4-Sho

Also, does Porsche have a video of the lap or "segemented laps"? I guess they just expect us to take their word for it?

Guibo

History has shown that we can trust their numbers (with their cars only). 3rd party sources with far less experience in the cars have duplicated their times before, even down to the very second. For example, here's a video of a non factory driver taking the CGT to a 7:28 lap, the same time as Porsche claims.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgKYmJPCW-M

evoviiiyou

Thanks man. I agree on the ZR1..I will add one for sure...lets see how they are priced in a year or so.

zeshawn

you guys have to remember its not 250K, forget what that webpage says, my friend ordered it and its 245,000 EUROs or about $317K that makes things even worse...

Notch

The U.S. MSRP is not $317k.

thebrander

Put them both on slicks and the ZR1 wins everytime.

Leonie

Wow, so many "IF´s" and "WHEN´s" in this thread! Indication of envy?

1. this thing IS worth the 250k, because people WILL BUY ALL 500 ones for that price (or even more), it is called market economy!

2. PERHAPS Corvette (Chevy) COULD build a 250k Vette that WOULD beat this Porsche in all out performance and even had a nicer interior, but (at least until now) they DON´T, because - maybe - they are afraid of the sales statistics of a 250k Chevy? Market economy again here...

3. so far, the stock tires are the fastest street legal ones on the ZR1!
German tuner Geiger recently tested Cups, but as they are optimized for the Pcars weight distribution, they do not work well on the Vette.

So the next point, IF someone build a street legal cup tire for the Vette, it MIGHT be as fast, so far it IS NOT!

Last one: PLEASE EXCUSE me for posting so many words in Caps Lock, which is usually not my style of writing, but as I have my experience with reading comprehension on this board, I just tried to make things clear and understandable...

BTW: I love my C5 and will probably never own a Porsche, but I am "car guy enough" to identify a fine piece of engineering when I see it, no matter who did it!

Best, Bernd

Hotmetal

100%. Who would pay $250k for a Chevy? Not me!

Actually, I would not be surprised that all 500 Porsches are already reserved.

thebrander

Do you not think you would get your money's worth? Do you feel you paid too much for your ZR1?

4-Sho

If I was in the market for a $250K sports car and Chevy made one that stomps on all the competition I would buy it. Why not? If GM was able to pull out all the stops on a super high dollar sports car I honestly think Ferrari, Porsche, and Lambo would get embarrased. GM has already proven they can match or beat the performance of exotics at less than half the price. If GM was going to match the price, they could have all the fancy high dollar interior materials and improved fit and finish as well. Porsche, Ferrari, and Lambo aren't the only ones that can build supercars... thing is they don't have to produce millions lesser vehicles for the masses so all their resources are directed at high dollar vehicles.

thebrander

A $250K Chevy would beat the Veyron in top speed (and possibly even bend gravitational fields ).

Guibo

So why don't they? It should be easy enough, right? Veyron-beating performance at less than 1/4 the price. Win-win.

thebrander

That's why I'm posting Guibo. Now they know we want one!!!

Ryan Bell

...and very few would buy it...not that they'd ever build it though.

Ultra-prestige AND ultra-speed. That's the true top end market.

Bucknut2006

Because GM is not in the same business as Porsche. It's a general car company vs more of a niche car maker. GM needs to focus on building great small and mid size cars to supplement the R&D of the Vette. Does selling a $250k+ Chevy really help that goal? I doubt it. On the other hand, Porsche has to stay ahead of the best from GM and compete with Ferrari and other high end manufacturers because the brand is based on performance.

Guibo

I think the Cien would have been a great candidate for this kind of car, yet sadly GM never pulled the trigger.
Aren't Lingenfelter's Twin-Turbo Corvettes just about as fast? How many of those have LPE sold?
Veyron production is said to be around 300 before taking into account the 150 or so Grand Sport versions. Even still, it's been said that VW have taken a bath on the Veyron project and are looking at the Galibier to share components to help pay for the massive R&D costs of the Veyron.

thebrander

I forget which interview I listened to recently where a GM affiliate was talking about a special version of the C8 going after the ultra-high performance exotic cars. It would sell. I'm sure when the first talks of a $100K+ Corvette started, many people swore up and down they would not sell.

Tell you what, given the C8's probably won't hit for another 10 years, I PROMISE I WILL BUY A $250K VERSION IF THEY OFFER ONE. Now... who's with me?

thebrander

BTW,

The GT2 RS is further proof that AWD is NOT the answer right now. It's more horsepower and less weight. A much lighter RWD C7 will be more than capable of hanging with the best if not dominating once again for a little while.

yellerz51

Add AWD and a PDK trans to the ZR1 and it would cost nearly the same price as a 997TT. You pay more for the 911TT and you get more.

If you factor in the fact that you can drive a 997TT every day it's clearly as good of a deal as the ZR1.. Possibly better.

BTW.. The Turbo PDK will hang with the ZR1 in a roll on race. The ZR1 has no chance from a DIG.