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Old 07-25-2017, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael_D
Tomy Mamo has a killer CNC program for OEM castings too. You don't have to buy the Trick Flow heads.

I would give AI the nod over WCCH.
I would like to see how Tony's stock ported castings compare to AI.
Mamo, jump in here and gives us some flow numbers and a description of your ported Ls7 heads
Old 07-25-2017, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 441LSXTT
I did not know that. I talk to him he was only talking about his trick flow heads and it was a little too pricey for me because I have to buy new rockers and just a heads CNC is expensive in itself. I might have to reach out to him and ask him about it.
A new product to market will always get more attention than an older product.....

Larry Meaux is another who's heads make serious power. You just don't hear much about him on forums because he is always busy as hell, and has been for a long time. http://www.maxracesoftware.com/
Old 07-25-2017, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 441LSXTT
AI it is. I found some LS7 heads last night from a guy on this board he happens to be a local as well. I just couldn't have any downtime since the car is my daily driver. And I was only considering WCCW because a friend of mine works for a shop and has these heads on the shelf
Kohle at AHP often has core sets on the shelf ready to go as well to reduce downtime. I went with AHP, not for numbers, but for their approach on the "fix"...which is a bit than others different in terms of parts/materials used. But again, if you're set on the two companies you listed...AI over WCCH.
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Our heads fix the geometry problems so you won't run into problems again. And you can sell off your old heads to offset the cost. The airflow is of good quality and excellent for it's CSA. Let me know if you have any questions.
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If you found a set of AI heads, just go with those. At this point, the gains/losses are negligible. I doubt Tony has a core set sitting, ready to go. So that will likely be out of the question for you.

When I did the cam/head swap it took me about 3 days start to finish. That's with lots of time running around to find misc parts/tools I needed and having to drop the wife off at work, etc...

The second time I pulled the heads in about an hour and had it running again the same day.
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Originally Posted by jayyyw
If you found a set of AI heads, just go with those. At this point, the gains/losses are negligible. I doubt Tony has a core set sitting, ready to go. So that will likely be out of the question for you.

When I did the cam/head swap it took me about 3 days start to finish. That's with lots of time running around to find misc parts/tools I needed and having to drop the wife off at work, etc...

The second time I pulled the heads in about an hour and had it running again the same day.
I found some untouched LS7 heads. So I can ship them to anyone. I sent tony a pm about his LS7 program. So we will see
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I see. That opens up all the doors.
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Originally Posted by Frans96ss
AI hands down
For Max power this.

And like Fran said, flow numbers are like Dyno numbers. Easy to manipulate and all over the place. Don't get hung up them. Ai heads consistently perform amazing. If you aren't doing the full out mamo heads do the ai.

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Old 07-25-2017, 07:38 PM
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AI heads / B3 cam 636rwhp on 93 octane gets my vote
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I've owned WCCH and AI heads and consistently recommend them. I've seen a set of the Mamo heads and they are nice but to make 5-7hp more in the mid range and save $2400 was a no brainer to me.

You will not not be disappointed. I'm in the 640rwhp range on a cam slightly bigger than the BTR IV, with a Mamo MSD, NW102, and 12.3:1 SCR. The car also makes 540+ rwtq - more than enough to make your street tires useless.
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Originally Posted by Turbo2L
I've owned WCCH and AI heads and consistently recommend them. I've seen a set of the Mamo heads and they are nice but to make 5-7hp more in the mid range and save $2400 was a no brainer to me.

You will not not be disappointed. I'm in the 640rwhp range on a cam slightly bigger than the BTR IV, with a Mamo MSD, NW102, and 12.3:1 SCR. The car also makes 540+ rwtq - more than enough to make your street tires useless.
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Lots of choices.....

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Originally Posted by JMCZ06
Bringing this back up. I am looking to get my heads done very soon. Which guides, valves and springs are recommended from AI?
If you could somehow get AI port job with AHP moldstar guides with new stock intake valves polished by del West and new ferrea hollow exhaust valves that'd be one killer setup. I couldn't figure out an economical way to get that so I sent my wcch heads to AHP. Doing guides and valves twice sure sucked!
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Originally Posted by rio95
If you could somehow get AI port job with AHP moldstar guides with new stock intake valves polished by del West and new ferrea hollow exhaust valves that'd be one killer setup. I couldn't figure out an economical way to get that so I sent my wcch heads to AHP. Doing guides and valves twice sure sucked!
I agree. That would 100% be the best LS7 head setup possible!
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Originally Posted by UH-60DRIVER
I agree. That would 100% be the best LS7 head setup possible!
I'd get the Moldstars and send them to AI for the build. I also would not run the hollow exhaust valves - personal preference based on experience.
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I run Ferrea F2042P hollow exhaust valves and TI OEM Intake valves in AI 280cc ported heads. This combination seems to work fine.

AI is only about 10 miles from me so it was an easy choice for me to use them.
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Originally Posted by lamboworld
I run Ferrea F2042P hollow exhaust valves and TI OEM Intake valves in AI 280cc ported heads. This combination seems to work fine.

AI is only about 10 miles from me so it was an easy choice for me to use them.
Just keep an eye on those guides. I bet they won't last long.

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Old 08-10-2018, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rio95


Just keep an eye on those guides. I bet they won't last long.
When I had my motor built last year I had AI go over my heads and to also check for wear and the guides had no wear with 5,000 miles on them. I don't drive my car a lot, but it gets driven hard when I do drive it. I probably put 2,500 miles a year on it.

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Originally Posted by Turbo2L
I also would not run the hollow exhaust valves - personal preference based on experience.
You talking OE, or the Ferrea f2042p’s? Do tell...
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Originally Posted by MTPZ06


You talking OE, or the Ferrea f2042p’s? Do tell...
I just don't care for them. A local switched to the MS90 guides and lost a hollow stem valve head in a cylinder. It could've been a number of reasons, but they are not for me.



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