It's that kind of thinking that leads to forged motors and high boost.

 

You are so right!!!!

Some of us are more apt to be "boost junkies" I guess!!!

 

Do you have a clue (I guess there is one on every forum)? If the turbos were too small, there would be a big rush of torque and then nothing, motor would run out of air...it would be far from smooth. Appropriately sized turbos will give a smooth flow of power. I've seen your posts before and I wonder if you just type just to see yourself type. I have had every type of fi (except nos): twin screw, centri and turbo on a variety of applications 4.6L 32V, 488CI Mopar, and stock/big inch LSX motors. There is nothing wrong with S/C if that is what you want, but your comparisons are well...to be pc, kinda misleading. Not only is it devoid of empirical evidence, but even the subjective evaluations are completely baseless and just plain wrong. It makes me wonder if you have even been in a turbo car. I think it is kinda unfair to the APS guys. They have a new kit that seems to be well done and is providing good results. To have someone w/o knowledge doing imbalanced comparisons helps no one and hurts a vendor that has spent time/resources to bring a kit to market.
Guys you are lucky have a quality TT kit for the C6 applicatkion so soon after its launch. It took 7 yrs for C5's to have a viable affordable tt option (other than LPE).

 

DUDE, WE JUST HAD AN APS TT CAR BUILT....LOL!!!!

It was an opinion Earl. you took it as "truth". Why are you "attacking" me? An opinion cannot be proved, nor dis-proved, thus it is an opinion.
No one is discrediting anyone's system, you are way off on that!!!!

As for APS, I think it (in my opinion) the system is awesome. As for my other thread, (the APS TT vs. Vortech) it is merely a comparison between two cars that we have. NOTHING MORE. So, please don't get so excited!

The problem is that this community has an issue with the whole turbo vs. supercharger debate. Since I had the "*****" to ask IF it was OK and no one said anything. I went forward. Now, some people are getting entirely "tweaked out" about it. Personal attacks ARE NOT going to work. Trying to discredit me IS NOT going to work either.

Earl, I have no issue with you. I respect your opinion. No one is saying that one vendor is "better" by any means. I have the right to voice my opinion. This is America, and NOT fascist **** Germany.

At any rate, APS makes an awesome kit. I cannot say it enough times.

I am sorry if I like the "jerky" feeling of non-linear torque. I am not going to apologize for that. As for APS turbos being "too small" for me, well hey your chick can say that about your *&^%, and that would just be her opinion. The mere fact that someone voices an opinion, does not mean that because you may/may not feel the opposite, gives you the right to attempt to do what you are trying to do in my opinion here.

You have had some excellent posts in this community no doubt, my goal is not to validate/de-valuate anyone, vendor, tuner on the forum, but merely rather to relate some information, so that the community may benefit. My opinions are always up for debate, BUT remember so are yours!!!

Thanks for your input!!!!

 

You state your opinion as if it were fact your tt/sc comparison comes off that way as well...You said that the turbos are too small...based on your feeling that it should give you a jerky feeling pinning you back in your seat. You have it backwards in that too small turbos will yield the exact feeling that you are looking for. Too large turbos will spool extremely slow. The trick is to find the right match for the given engine setup. Its very easy to determine if the turbos are too small...math can tell you that.

In addition, the rampup of boost can be influenced by a number of things (other than turbo size): tune, transmission tuning, timing, EBC gain setting, etc.


My only issue with you(not personally), and the cycle continues to repeat itself, is that you type before you've taken the time to understand what you are typing about. There is a lot to learn about FI. Its better to learn from experience and not hearsay. Hearsay has ruined many a vendor on this site...some good, some bad. Be fair in your assessments as they can have an impact on the opinions of future customers of any of the systems listed. One ride does not make you an expert. Two dyno charts, with different cars, with different boost levels, and different equipment levels is far from a vaild comparison. It irked me a little to be honest because we (Corvette community) get so few manufacturers with the desire to offer a good product and to offer it a fair price, with the capital to actually carry through with their intentions... Making assertions about their product, before they have a chance to prove themselves isn't necessarily fair. Some of your statements are off...way off. Spend some time with some of the sytems you are talking about...hell, buy one and then comment or compare.

If TTI had been slammed, because of their Stage I, II, and III products, and didn't see enough demand, there never would have been the X kit that powers my car now.

At the end of the day, the SC vs TT debate will go on forever. There are respectable tuners that offer both: ECS, Synergy, Cartek, my own Dr. Phil. I think its important to just understand the true pros and cons of each and pick which one meets your needs.

No harm, now foul

 

Exactly, big turbos will "lag", BUT what will happen next? BOOM! The boost will eventually "kick in" and give you a "nasty rush". That is my point about the whole small turbo thing. I just prefer the "rush" of the big turbos as compared!!! Yes, the small turbo WILL NOT lag as much which is why I'm sure APS chose what they chose! It's just my preference!!!

I am not "bashing" APS!!! Jeez, we just bought one of their kits! Who was the influencing party on that? Uh....me!!

I feel you are still trying to discredit me. Uh, we have an APS kit! So the experience "thing" WILL NOT work on that!!! It's all good, BUT the tone in that response is trying to make me feel like a "kid".

The comparison is a "what we have" comparison. This IS NOT Car and Driver magazine.

Again, thank you for the input!!! I respect what you had to say!

 

JJSC6,

Just curious, who is this "we" you speak of so frequently...?

 

That's got me curious as well, and only a single post elsewhere than in the C6 FI forum...and some of those posts patently false.

 

Hey JJSC6, you're still online... can you please answer the question?

 

What false posts? There are no "false" posts.

"We", is me and a close family member.

I can see why people I meet (and who are BIG including vendors, tuners, members, etc.) on this forum, tell me what they tell me about the people on here. Most of 'em are like it's not even "fun", because the criticism is more prevalent than the "fun".

The negativity is too much!!! I mean you don't know who I am, BUT then I have no freakin' clue whom you are either.

Hilarious!!! I have been nothing, but positive on here and have shown support to everyone, but people just get offended so easily!!!

Alot of this is just "bragging" rights and psychological issues as far as I can tell. Mine is better than yours.......nah nah nah nah...total BS. Is anybody genuine on these forums? I'm sure they are, but this is ridiculous. Pot and kettle attacks and questioning and doubting is too much!!! Opinions are opinions, and that doesen't mean I like yours either, BUT then I don't have to start a doubter campaign for whatever motives I have ( I DON'T HAVE ANY!!).

I like to think I'm above that. Guess some people aren't?

Again, the "dis-crediting" and "bashing" continues. Thanks!!!

Next???

 

No problem, check my previous post!!!

 

This Corvette of mine isn't my ONLY car(s). It's also NOT my only FI car(s). It's (the Vette) definitely NOT an everyday driver, maybe 1-2 days a week.

I have some FI experience, BUT I am in no manner presenting myself as an expert by any means. I WILL NEVER SAY THAT!!!!

Thanks for everyone's input thus far!!!

 

Thanks.

 

Hmmmm, here's one:
And this after Peter from APS asked for some facts:
And again you didn't or couldn't bother to present any facts when you were called on it.

You sound and post like you have an agenda. Some of us are curious as to what it might be. Real people are spending real money on this stuff and if someone is trying to sell moonbeams and apple pie then they ought to do it in the open.

 

OMG, I actually was waiting for someone to try this!!! Looking at my "old" posts, trying to "find something". OK, can someone say ATTACK!!! LOL!!!

Hah!!! I think it's hilarious. The heat issue "is dead" for now. That is obvious!!! Get the APS kit vs. centrifugal kit and then get a pyrometer, the APS still runs "hotter" in the engine compartment from my experience. This was stupid to bring up!!! I hate to say that, and BTW the APS TT kit is awesome!!! The heat issue is relevant depending on what you compare it to!!! Everything is!!!

I HAVE NO AGENDA, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, BUT I DO HAVE AN OPINION.....AGAIN SORRY!!!!

My "other" thread is beig presented without my opinion....although like playing "chess" I will tell you what the "haters" next "move" on me is. They are just "scanning", "looking" and "waiting". Bring it on!!!!!

There is no agenda, but since people are looking for one......you are going to find it. LOL!!!

Hey, you can look for Atlantis too, eventually when you get desperate enough you will tell me you found it!!!!

Keep looking!!!! Thanks!!! Next????

 

I called him on this earlier, all you'll get is a few lines of blather. Dont waste your time, he clearly has an agenda. Look how long he has been on the board, and look at the content of his posts. Enough said.

 

Like Steve said: "real people spending real money". That's me, and that's why I look through this forum. Like someone else said too, we need to see real experiences so we can make more informed decisions. Wee said. All I want to see is the results someone gets from their particular install. When my car is finished I will post the results for others to see and hope it helps them make a decision on FI. I support the right to post opinions on systems, but this is starting to get a little too dramatic.
I hope the members here will continue to share informative data and the vendors hang around to offer explanations too.
I'm afraid if we keep this stuff going, this section will be doomed.

 

You called on who? LOL!!!

There is no agenda, BUT I LOVE THE DRAMA.

I HAVE THE TIME!!! DO YOU??? LOL!!!

It shall continue.......

America is "free" and this so BS, stop the ***** from trying to censor....MY GOD!!!

 

Lol. What did I tell you.

 

Steve/Spiral Coupe: The point of all this "drama" is to discredit me, so that any results found will appear non-relevant. It's almost like a **** conspiracy....I mean why do these guys even own American cars. American car owners aren't even allowed to voice their opinion!!! LOL!

Steve/Spiral Coupe: Thanks for supporting my posts and my information. None of this is BS is directed toward you!!

As for me, I believe in what I am doing...just displaying some data.....it's obvious other people aren't interested because they ARE intimidated or whatever. LOL!!!

Hey guys, get used to me!!! You are just encouraging me and I have all the time in the world!!! Thanks for the input!!!

You guys read the US Constitution lately?? I mean freedom of "what"...

The "real agenda" here is known (the crew is on me!!!.....the SS **** crew, that maybe should buy Porsche's, instead of Corvettes???). I don't have an agenda myself, BUT MAYBE YOU ARE AFRAID OF WHAT I MIGHT SAY????? WHY????? I am just relating MY data. Sorry!!!

LOL!!! I LOVE IT!!!! KEEP THIS THREAD GOING!!!