"What next"!
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From: Valencia '32 Ford 3 window with 615 HP!!!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'09
"What next"!
For all You vette guys that know what thier talking about,just wanted to ask Your opinion on what{if anything}should I do next.
I'm thinking about Heads and Cam.Or just leave it alone.{yeah right!}
Currently have the maggie 112w/ haeders.{480rwhp}
Thanks for Your time,George
I'm thinking about Heads and Cam.Or just leave it alone.{yeah right!}
Currently have the maggie 112w/ haeders.{480rwhp}
Thanks for Your time,George
Safety Car
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If I had a maggie and wanted more power to keep it safe, no question a nice blower cam, (don't need the heads the factory flow just fine) and a meth kit. EVERYONE IMHO running over 550rwhp should run meth, it drastically drops intake temps, raises the octane to eliminate detonation, and keeps the engine clean, an added bonus. You will see about 30hp with the cam and the meth will allow another 40-50 with proper tuning. 
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From: Valencia '32 Ford 3 window with 615 HP!!!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'09
Thanks for Your opinion!!
A cam,for sure,and I have heard that the stock heads are o.k,but some after market heads might flow a little better!{or just re-do the stock ones}
Oh yeah,I forgot to mention that I don't like the idea of meth.
I know it has alot of benifits,but I've heard some bad stories.
I am currently running 93 octane to help with detonation.
A cam,for sure,and I have heard that the stock heads are o.k,but some after market heads might flow a little better!{or just re-do the stock ones}
Oh yeah,I forgot to mention that I don't like the idea of meth.
I know it has alot of benifits,but I've heard some bad stories.
I am currently running 93 octane to help with detonation.
Last edited by 1bdasvt; Jan 15, 2007 at 10:47 PM.
Safety Car
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Yeah if you really wanted to do some head work porting out the stock ones would be the way I would go, but with FI its not the same a NA, with NA you are relying on the engine to suck in the air, so you need all the flow you can get, whereas with FI it is forced in so porting doesn't make much difference. I have seen to many dyno's in person with guys making 700+rwhp with stock heads. Its just wasted $$ IMHO. The cam is what make the difference, it keeps the valves open longer and wider. 
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I thought the same thing too about meth when I first read about it, but there really is nothing to it, you can buy a $400 kit and it works with your existing washfluid tank, and your current fluid in there is water and methonal, most don't know that. When you study the great benifit of it, it is truly the best thing you can add to a FI car, and Maggie's make a lot of heat! Something to consider
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For all You vette guys that know what thier talking about,just wanted to ask Your opinion on what{if anything}should I do next.
I'm thinking about Heads and Cam.Or just leave it alone.{yeah right!}
Currently have the maggie 112w/ haeders.{480rwhp}
Thanks for Your time,George
I'm thinking about Heads and Cam.Or just leave it alone.{yeah right!}
Currently have the maggie 112w/ haeders.{480rwhp}
Thanks for Your time,George
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Le Mans Master
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From: Valencia '32 Ford 3 window with 615 HP!!!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'09
Did You get the 402 after You had the maggie installed?
Thanks!
Burning Brakes
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From: Midland, TX........ 550 RWHP/520 RWTQ (A6)
I think a cam is the next logical step (and maybe meth). That should put you WELL over 500rwhp. I know this would be my next mod....but I am done. Pls let us know how it turns out.
OR-------
I think the easiest (and cheapest) way to gain another 30 to 50 rwhp (or more) would be to run the next smallest pulley (2.9?) and the meth kit. This would put your boost around 8 lbs...as high as I would go on the stock bottom end (but still safe). Just an idea..........
OR-------
I think the easiest (and cheapest) way to gain another 30 to 50 rwhp (or more) would be to run the next smallest pulley (2.9?) and the meth kit. This would put your boost around 8 lbs...as high as I would go on the stock bottom end (but still safe). Just an idea..........
Last edited by Bushong572; Jan 16, 2007 at 09:01 AM.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Valencia '32 Ford 3 window with 615 HP!!!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'09
Steve,are We ever really "DONE" modding Our cars?!
But if You are,good for You!
It takes alot of willpower to say "no more"!
George
But if You are,good for You!
It takes alot of willpower to say "no more"!
George
Burning Brakes
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From: Midland, TX........ 550 RWHP/520 RWTQ (A6)
I know...I know
My wife drives the car as much as I do (I have a company vehicle) and I made a deal with her when the mods began: DO NOT AFFECT THE EVERYDAY DRIVABILITY. Besides, my goal was 500rwhp and I'm there. I think this is plenty for a street car (right now)..I'm so traction limited anyway. Of course.....I'm awaiting results of your next mod.......
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If you want more power,
I'd recommend doing a 402ci rebuild with forged pistons.
Not opnly will you have the extra stoke,
you will be able to run more boost.
Most importantly,
you will have the peace of mind that a forged shortblock allows.
Nineball did get good results with his cam with his Maggie,
but I don't think heads are going to be worth the $$$$.
Now I'm about to be serious,
I'm NOT busting your *****.
How much more power do you think you can make with your Maggie?
IAT's and heat soak will become an issue once you turn up the boost.
Once you have a forged motor,
a TT or Lysholm will REALLY make a difference.
But,
obvioulsy the TT will be the best performer.
I will concede that the Maggie is not bad on a 100% stock car.
Definitely better than a heads and cam.
But,
I think you will find out what most FI guys have been saying is true.
You ALWAYS want MORE and the Maggie will limit your expandability.
Not starting trouble with you.
Flame suit on just in case.
I'd recommend doing a 402ci rebuild with forged pistons.
Not opnly will you have the extra stoke,
you will be able to run more boost.
Most importantly,
you will have the peace of mind that a forged shortblock allows.
Nineball did get good results with his cam with his Maggie,
but I don't think heads are going to be worth the $$$$.
Now I'm about to be serious,
I'm NOT busting your *****.
How much more power do you think you can make with your Maggie?
IAT's and heat soak will become an issue once you turn up the boost.
Once you have a forged motor,
a TT or Lysholm will REALLY make a difference.
But,
obvioulsy the TT will be the best performer.
I will concede that the Maggie is not bad on a 100% stock car.
Definitely better than a heads and cam.
But,
I think you will find out what most FI guys have been saying is true.
You ALWAYS want MORE and the Maggie will limit your expandability.
Not starting trouble with you.
Flame suit on just in case.
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From: Cincinnati OH
You want more George? Gee, I just couldn't imagine that.
I talked with a few shops in Nov/Dec and they all agreed that a cam and alky gets you more power, but as others are saying - our Maggie is nearing it's ceiling. For the $$$ and the work involved to get an extra 50hp (cam, alky, 8+lbs boost).... I'd prolly just call it a day where it's at with an otherwise trouble-free stocker on the bottom-end.
Gotta say, I think I'm with Bushong572 on this - I'm finished with my quest for more power. 500rwhp was my goal and with the 3.2, I've no doubt it busted that mark (I know... I'm re-dyno'ing next weekend weather permitting). Traction can be broken at will through roughly 100mph. What else could I ask for?
But, I know you... you have a sickness my man. One that cannot be cured. So with that said... I eagerly await the next transformation of that beast.
Doug
I talked with a few shops in Nov/Dec and they all agreed that a cam and alky gets you more power, but as others are saying - our Maggie is nearing it's ceiling. For the $$$ and the work involved to get an extra 50hp (cam, alky, 8+lbs boost).... I'd prolly just call it a day where it's at with an otherwise trouble-free stocker on the bottom-end.
Gotta say, I think I'm with Bushong572 on this - I'm finished with my quest for more power. 500rwhp was my goal and with the 3.2, I've no doubt it busted that mark (I know... I'm re-dyno'ing next weekend weather permitting). Traction can be broken at will through roughly 100mph. What else could I ask for?
But, I know you... you have a sickness my man. One that cannot be cured. So with that said... I eagerly await the next transformation of that beast.
Doug
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Le Mans Master
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From: Valencia '32 Ford 3 window with 615 HP!!!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'09
Well Doug my freind,with Steve's advice and Yours,I'll have to think about calling it a day!!{Mine is already a beast!}
It may take alot of restraint,but I'll have to try and stop!!
George
It may take alot of restraint,but I'll have to try and stop!!
George
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I would say cam and keep saving for that next big upgrade. Like bigger cubes.
For me, once I find out Vandenberg AFB, California won't be my next assignment. Cam and headers for sure will be my next mods.
For me, once I find out Vandenberg AFB, California won't be my next assignment. Cam and headers for sure will be my next mods.
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Le Mans Master
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From: Valencia '32 Ford 3 window with 615 HP!!!!
St. Jude Donor '06-'09
Mines an A6,do You{or anybodyelse} think if I go w/more cubes I'll have to upgrade the tranny?
If I do,then thats gonna be a never ending process!
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